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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2009, 03:53:19 PM »
I found the following picture of William's christening in 1942:



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« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2009, 06:05:40 PM »
Oh, how wonderful. Very pleased.  Many thanks.
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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2010, 05:24:47 AM »
Hello...long time no talk on this thread!!!!!

I did like Alice Gloucester, she had such a Celia Johnson type thing about her!

Anyway I have just noticed her jewels in the last photographs that KarlandZita so kindly posted immediately above! Hmmmmm....lovely and what's more rather unfamiliar to me! Are there any piccies around of Birgitte wearing that tirara? Does it have a name so I can have a rootle on 'Search'? And what about that lovely necklace? That also looks unfamiliar to me! Help please lovely jewel experts....Ella, Ashdean....anyone please?
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« Reply #78 on: March 11, 2010, 12:02:52 AM »
Hello...long time no talk on this thread!!!!!

I did like Alice Gloucester, she had such a Celia Johnson type thing about her!

Anyway I have just noticed her jewels in the last photographs that KarlandZita so kindly posted immediately above! Hmmmmm....lovely and what's more rather unfamiliar to me! Are there any piccies around of Birgitte wearing that tirara? Does it have a name so I can have a rootle on 'Search'? And what about that lovely necklace? That also looks unfamiliar to me! Help please lovely jewel experts....Ella, Ashdean....anyone please?

Hello Margot,

I did a little research because royal jewels enchant me. Here is some information for you regarding the different pieces that Princess Alice wore in the photographs:

Picture #1 - The Gloucester Palmette Tiara, the Duchess of Gloucester Diamond Brooch and her royal wedding present (from HM King George & HM Queen Mary) ollet necklace as well as earings.
Picture #2 - The Teck Turquoise Tiara and the Duchess of Gloucester Diamond Brooch. Unknown collet necklace.
Picture #3 - The Ivegh Tiara..I think...hard to tell.
Picture #4 - The Gloucester Palmette Tiara with the Central "ornament/stone" attached and the Duchess of Gloucester Diamond Brooch. I'm unable to identify her necklace or bracelet.
Picture #5 - I could be wrong on this, but I'm fairly certain that she is wearing the tiara, necklace and brooch from the Turquoise Parure. I compared a black and white photo of then Princess Marty (Queen Mary) and it looks identical. (http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/queen-mary-turquoise-tiara.htm)

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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #79 on: March 11, 2010, 03:06:20 AM »
Thank you so much RoyalWatcher!

I agree with you on all of the jewels! I can't believe I didn't recognize the Turquoise parure! It looks rather different from when I have seen Birgitte Gloucester wearing it! How odd!

Never mind, you have solved a little mystery! Thanks so much again for taking the time to do a little investigative work!


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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #80 on: March 11, 2010, 12:37:27 PM »
Hello...long time no talk on this thread!!!!!

I did like Alice Gloucester, she had such a Celia Johnson type thing about her!

Anyway I have just noticed her jewels in the last photographs that KarlandZita so kindly posted immediately above! Hmmmmm....lovely and what's more rather unfamiliar to me! Are there any piccies around of Birgitte wearing that tirara? Does it have a name so I can have a rootle on 'Search'? And what about that lovely necklace? That also looks unfamiliar to me! Help please lovely jewel experts....Ella, Ashdean....anyone please?

Hello Margot,

I did a little research because royal jewels enchant me. Here is some information for you regarding the different pieces that Princess Alice wore in the photographs:

Picture #1 - The Gloucester Palmette Tiara, the Duchess of Gloucester Diamond Brooch and her royal wedding present (from HM King George & HM Queen Mary) ollet necklace as well as earings.
Picture #2 - The Teck Turquoise Tiara and the Duchess of Gloucester Diamond Brooch. Unknown collet necklace.
Picture #3 - The Ivegh Tiara..I think...hard to tell.
Picture #4 - The Gloucester Palmette Tiara with the Central "ornament/stone" attached and the Duchess of Gloucester Diamond Brooch. I'm unable to identify her necklace or bracelet.
Picture #5 - I could be wrong on this, but I'm fairly certain that she is wearing the tiara, necklace and brooch from the Turquoise Parure. I compared a black and white photo of then Princess Marty (Queen Mary) and it looks identical. (http://www.royal-magazin.de/england/queen-mary-turquoise-tiara.htm)

Regards,

Annie

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In pic 4 the Duchess wears the tiara with the kunzite centre and the matching necklace...the tiara also has  alternate emerald or all diamond centres...Queen Mary also wore it with a huge sapphire centre...this item however passed to Princess Margaret who wore it often as a brooch..it was not in her sale.













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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #81 on: March 11, 2010, 08:34:58 PM »
I would encourage people to take a look at the jewel index stickied at the top of the thread. It has some good information on the various pieces. There's also a copious amount on the Jewelry sections, including Parts 4, 5 and 6. Given your love of jewels, Annie, you might particularly enjoy these threads.  :)  There are some awesome pictures and information contained in them.
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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2010, 05:07:59 PM »


The smilling and glorious bride of the day: Princess Alice of Gloucester (1935)



After party on the balcony of Buckingham Palace, from left to right: Little Princess Elizabeth of York, King George V, little Princess Margaret Rose of York, thier mother Duchess Elizabeth of York, behind her Princess Royal Mary, the groom Prince Henry of Gloucester, the bride Princess Alice of Gloucester and Queen Mary

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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
« Reply #83 on: June 23, 2011, 12:20:19 PM »
Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, by Cecil Beaton :



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« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2011, 05:04:09 AM »
Duke and Duchess of Gloucester in uniform during the War :



The Duchess was commandant of the W.A.A.F :


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« Reply #85 on: July 08, 2011, 04:34:53 PM »
Lovely portrait of the Duchess in jewels :



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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2011, 10:19:52 AM »
The Smiling Duchess in 1939 :

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« Reply #87 on: July 06, 2012, 10:24:45 PM »
I read this whole thread because of a renewed interesting the Gloucester illness, Porphyria.  I would like to comment on the question as to who had the Porphyria which passed to William, the elder son of Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester--was it his father, Prince Henry, or his mother,
Princess Alice.  Because of the genetic heritage of Henry, Duke of Gloucester, it seems likely that it was he who had the Porphyria.  However, his mother had some of the heredity and attributes of people with Porphyria.  She was, according to what I've read here and on the Royal Forums, socially conscientious (hard worker) but also reclusive, not drinking at all and finding her best times at home with her family and garden in the country.  People with Porphyria find they cannot drink at all, although sometimes, like Henry, and some other royal Porphs one might suspect, they may get drunk and boisterous and "chew up the carpet", as one quote said in this thread.  (I have Porphyria, and have read extensively on groups devoted to this, and know my own characteristics, which include inability to drink at all). 

Alice was descended from Stewart royals, being an "illegitimate" descendant of Charles II, as was Princess Diana.  (Prince Charles is a legitimate descendant of Charles II).  This puts her in the area of Stewart susceptibility to Porphyria.  Porphyria comes from a dominant gene, and the way it works it this:  50% of children, on average, get it, but 75% of children get it who are descended from two parents with the gene.  I have not closely read her heredity, so it's likely she had fewer direct Stewart ancestors than did Prince Henry.  Many of the Stewart monarchs either had Porphyria or may be considered suspect, and it's possible that the gene which struck George III, a Hanover, came through his Stewart descent from James I/VI through James' daughter Elizabeth. 

Prince Henry was, if I recount accurately, the direct descendant of George III, the most famous royal victim of Porphyria, who definitely "tore up the carpet" when he was in his Porphyria attacks, but was normal when not in attack. 

There are always a myriad of possible symptoms and behaviors which could indicate porphyria, but they could indicate other things as well, so who knows for sure which royals had it, except for those strongly pinpointed such as George III and William, the son of the Prince Henry.
We know from DNA that either Queen Victoria or Prince Albert had it, since their daughter Vicki was DNA'd as having it, as Vicki's Charlotte.
Permission was given by the families of Vicki and Charlotte to disinter their graves and take DNA samples from their bones, and they were positive.  So the Porphyria came through at least that far.

Sometimes people like Victoria, who probably had porphyria (unless Albert was the donor to his children) stave off the attacks by eating a lot of carbohydrates and getting heavy.  Carbohydrates and sugar fight off the porphyrin metabolism defect.  Glucose infusions are one treatment.  Prince Henry is also said to have been "bovine".

The current Duke of Gloucester, the younger son of Princess Alice, married a lovely lady who was a commoner.  And his children married commoners.  There is no public record of any of these people having Porphyric episodes.  Probably Richard Gloucester, the present Duke, did not inherit the gene, and his children do not have it either.  Wonderful.  Princess Alice would be happy.

Princess Alice is said to have "diagnosed" her son William with probable porphyria by seeing lesions on his face.  His porphyria type, Variegate, VP, sometimes produces skin lesions, especially in those who are out in the sun a lot.  The very fact that she knew this was a symptom shows that she knew something about Porphyria. 

Well, enough rant.




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« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2012, 11:25:47 PM »
Addition to tonight's post by me on the Gloucesters.

Princess Alice is stated in this thread to have used homeopathic medicine rather than allopathic, when possible.  Prescription drug avoidance is another characteristic of those who know about Porphyria, for themselves or their families.  Today, there are better lists of safe/unsafe prescription drugs for people with porphyria.  this makes easier choosing, for instance, what anesthesia to use, either for local or general.
If anyone has porphyria and has access to a safe/unsafe drug list (which earlier porphyric people did not know about) this would make their life better.

Also, the reason why some porphyrics are reclusive is because they tend to avoid over-exposure to environmental toxins which could trigger and attack.  These are called "triggers".  They would include many things, including gasoline fumes, air pollution, herbicides, pesticides, some foods
but certainly not the majority of foods, new rugs, toxic rug cleaner, new and not outgassed cabinets and panels in construction, oil based paint and some non-VOC paints, formalin used in new clothing to keep it looking pressed, etc.  These are not "allergies", but sensitivities.  A person with porphyria can appear healthy and be fundamentally healthy unless triggered.  Some people are never triggered and never know they have it, which accounts for "skipped generations" of people who seem not to have it.  Once it is not passed on from parent to child, it is gone.  It is not recessive and will not pop up unless there were those skipped generations of people who were not triggered, which is more likely to happen if a person is reclusive, does not drink, and especially if the person is aware of what porphyria "rules of engagement" are.


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Re: Henry & Alice, Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
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