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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2010, 12:20:13 AM »
Well,technically Marie was a "mere baroness" before her marriage if we stick to form...if we don't she was treated much higher than some Princesses of her time!

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2010, 09:03:01 AM »
Yes. But she was spoiled by her aunt and raised her expectations for something better. Who that did not happen, Marie was crushed. She mentioned in her bio that one of her aunt's admirers (a prince of Luxemburg or Nassau or Esterhay (Hungarian)) fell for her, and the jealous empress bundled her off with Larisch.

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2010, 06:22:43 PM »
She wanted to create herself a reality much better than the one she had and didn't want to acept the truth, the other reason for create those  sesationalist stories was for sell more her books, people would think that she was telling the truth

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #123 on: July 02, 2010, 11:15:16 AM »
Yep. Cash was her main motivation here.  >:(

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #124 on: July 02, 2010, 03:23:09 PM »
I read that her family offered her a good amount of money for keep the secrets of the family but I think that it wasn't enough for her so she didn't mind to not fullfill her promise... :-/

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #125 on: July 04, 2010, 02:08:40 PM »
I think she spents a lot.

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #126 on: July 05, 2010, 03:46:44 PM »
Or perhaps was only ambitious...

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #127 on: July 05, 2010, 04:04:53 PM »
Not really. She became persona non grata in royal courts after the death of Rudolf. The books were unlikely to bring about reconcilliation.

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #128 on: July 06, 2010, 01:08:20 PM »
If her family knew what she wrote about them they surely wouldn't want (even less) to forgive her, not only for the death of the Crown Prince but also for saying false things about them...

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #129 on: July 06, 2010, 02:57:32 PM »
I think her mother had died by then, she was not welcomed within the family.

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #130 on: July 09, 2010, 02:30:04 PM »
Found this as her

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #131 on: July 09, 2010, 02:30:58 PM »
obviously it isnt her. It doesnt look a bit lke Marie!

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #132 on: July 09, 2010, 02:38:44 PM »
Thanks for confirming her identity, it didn't convince me as being her... :-S I wonder why she was confused with ML

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #133 on: July 09, 2010, 05:40:33 PM »
Who was the woman in the small photo ?

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Re: Marie Louise Larisch-Wallersee
« Reply #134 on: July 09, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »
Well...as the niece of the Empress of Austria, Marie was given access to a world that someone like her (a product of a morganetic marriage) would not be able go into. However when marriage time came, she was fobbled off with an arranged marriage with a mere count. She was disillusioned with her aunt, who she thought would do much more for her than this. She later used her links to the Imperial Family to make money as intoducers (like Fergie did with Andrew). When Mayerling happened, her imperial aunt rightly blamed her for responsible to bring Baroness Marie into Rudolf's life (not that it would have mattered much). Marie was then deemed persona non grata in the Austrian court. They closed ranks against her. She had lived her life as a royal wannabe and that was very unfulling role for her.

It was in "The Lonely Empress" I believe where Sissi was quick to fob Marie off on somebody since she thought Marie and Rudolf were getting too close.  Marie makes a big point of saying how much she hated Rudolf, but sometimes it seemed she protested a bit too much.  In her book "My Past", she told how the last time she saw Rudolf, "he took her in his arms and kissed her", and looking back she was glad she let him. 

Although I haven't read any other books by Marie than this first one, I try to remember that the general attitude towards women back then was dismissive and misogynistic so I try to give her the benefit of the doubt.   After all, "My Past" was not written until 27 years after the Mayerling tragedy.  Furthermore, it wasn't Marie who initially introduced Rudolf and Marie Vetsera.  Marie became a go-between after their liaison was already established, and Marie might have been paid well for her services. 
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