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Beaufort Spontin
« on: July 08, 2008, 02:49:16 AM »
hi,

Does some one has some information about the Dukes de Beaufort de Spontins? It is a Belgian ducal family who had big estates in Belgium (Spontin/ Freyr) and in Bohemia/ Czech Republic (Bechov).

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 06:17:47 AM »
The family has been known since 1005.They are now Austrians because Duke Friedrich August von Beaufort-Spontin(became Duke in 1782 and got his title from the Holy Roman Emperor and again in 1876 by Franz Josef-Serene Highness) was the last Governor of Austrian Netherlands...He took part in the Congress of Vienna and tried to establish Kingdom of Belgium in 1815 under the Habsburg rule...As he failed the family moved to Austria in the 19th century!His father Charles-Albert de Beaufort-Spontin refused King Louis XV's Duchy-Peerage in France...the present Duke is also Friedrich von Beaufort-Spontin who now lives on his estate in Kainach...

Beaufort-Spontin's intermarried with some great families such as:Starhemberg,Thurn und Taxis,Ligne,Isenburg und Buedingen,Lobkowicz,Croy etc.

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 10:48:37 AM »
The present Duke also happens to be the last male in his family.

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 04:45:20 PM »
Yes,unfortunatly :-(

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2008, 04:47:56 AM »
Family also owned wonderful shrine of St Maurus, which is now exhibited in their former castle Becov. There is very interesting and dramatic story about finding this shrine, which was hidden by Beauforts at the end of 2WW.
there is some info on http://www.vitejte.cz/objekt.php?oid=806&j=en

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2008, 05:36:17 AM »
Thank you Beladona,very interesting link...Didn't know about the Nazi's and Beaufort-Spontins...

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2008, 06:50:57 AM »
Thanks for all the info.

Does any know what exactly the story is about the Beaufort-Spontins and the Nazi's? I see on the website that there was colloboration, but in what way?

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2008, 10:32:02 AM »
Does any know what exactly the story is about the Beaufort-Spontins and the Nazi's? I see on the website that there was colloboration, but in what way?
Duke Heinrich (b.11 Mar 1880, d.29 Apr 1966) was member of NSDAP and one of leader of sudeten-deutschland-partei (I don´t know how to translate it correctly). Both his sons fought in 2WW on Nazi-side and younger Carl Albrecht was killed in Moscow in 1942.

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 12:21:21 PM »
It seems they became estranged with their Belgian roots and became ''more German than the Kaiser''(remark used for some British kings)...

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2008, 07:03:17 PM »
It seems they became estranged with their Belgian roots and became ''more German than the Kaiser''(remark used for some British kings)...

? which British Kings

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 10:05:37 PM »
George V,it was sometimes said for him that he was "more German than the Kaiser" due to his blood-line,I mean ancestors and his German accent while speaking English...

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 03:30:46 AM »
George V didn't have a German accent, get your facts right. You'll be telling us next that Eisenhower was a German spy

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2008, 07:05:03 AM »
Sorry,George  was regarded more German than the Kaiser,but Edward VIII had German accent,Queen Mary also...some citations:
"Victoria and Albert disliked London and choose to live at Balmoral because it reminded them of the North German countryside.Victoria often insisted that her family wrote and even conversed in German.Their son Edward VII spoke English with GERMAN ACCENT,which became much more pronounced when he lost his temper."

About Queen Mary:"In fact,George V's wife Queen Mary was the first Consort for over 400 hundered years to speak English as a first language,but she was almost 100% German and took pride in her pure Hanoverian descent,always quick to point out that her family was not tainted by any of Prince Albert's inferior Saxe-Coburg blood(maybe she forgot her grandmother Countess von Hohenstein...).Yet Queen Mary wasn't in the least embarressed to claim in her GERMAN ACCENT that she was English ''from top to toe",the oft-repeated claim of foreign royals living at the expense of British taxpayers."

About King George V's family and changing family name from Saxe-Coburg -Gotha to Windsor:"It was left  to George V's palace counsellors to point out to him that he and his family were more German than the Kaiser''

Sorry,this doesn't hve much wit Dietrichstein family....

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Re: Beaufort Spontin
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2008, 07:37:14 AM »
I mean with Beaufort-Spontin family...

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2010, 01:43:06 PM »
I wouldn't believe this author too much because.......
Sorry,George  was regarded more German than the Kaiser,but Edward VIII had German accent,Queen Mary also...some citations:
"Victoria and Albert disliked London and choose to live at Balmoral because it reminded them of the North German countryside.Victoria often insisted that her family wrote and even conversed in German.Their son Edward VII spoke English with GERMAN ACCENT,which became much more pronounced when he lost his temper."
Nothing could be further from the Grampians than the North German Plain. Well, of course, the Sahara Desert or the Amazonas Rain Forest would, but you get my drift. Royal Deeside reminded them of the Thuringian Forest!

I think the "German accent" of some members of the RF, described as a "burr", was mostly limited to a uvular r.
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