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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2007, 05:26:03 PM »
I think your website is great Holly, but I'm agreeing with Jehan.
 I think that Anastasia is great, but I wouldn't really say that she's the one who's going to live on in everyone's memories the most. Just because she was different than her other sisters doesn't really make her the greatest and had more courage than the others. Everyone relates differently to the sisters, afterall. Tatiana may be strong in some minds, while Olga or Maria may be a big force with others, no?
You don't think Anastasia has been the one that lives on in everyone's memories the most? She already has! Do you see Olga cartoons? Tatiana merchandise? A play about Maria? No, you don't. Until people really read into the family, only then do they really know something about OTM. And Anastasia's popularity isn't just because of Anna Anderson or the 'survival' myths.
Certainly, those do help at first but when people learn about Anastasia's personality and how different she was and how much she stood out in her family, that's when they really remember her as a human being. A heroic tale is nothing without a character to identify it with and keep us engrossed in it. If Anastasia were a girl with no personality and moped around all the time, I doubt anyone would be so intrigued with her story and feel the need to learn more. The fact is that she was different from her sisters. It doesn't make her the 'greatest' of course but it does make her more appealing to most. One only has to read anecdotes and memoirs to understand what I'm trying to say.
"My favorite god-daughter she was indeed! I liked her fearlessness. She never whimpered or cried, even when hurt. She was a fearful tomboy." - Olga A.
"She was still the obsinate, naughty and irrepressibly cheerful Anastasia' and in the days of exile her gay and boisterous temperament proved of immeasurable value to the rest of her family." - G. Botkin
"For all her weaknesses you were bound to love this child, because you could not escape from her irresistible charm, made up of freshness, enjoyment of life, ingenuousness and simplicity." - Gilliard
"Someone in speaking to me of the four little girls lately said to me, "Olga has grace, wit, and good looks; Tatiana is a regular beauty; Marie is so sweet-natured, good and obliging, no one could help loving her; but little Anastasie has personal charm beyond any child I ever saw." - M. Eager

"Господь им дал дар по молитвам их размягчать окаменелые наши сердца за их страдания..Мне думается, что если люди будут молиться Царской Cемье, оттают сердца с Божией помощью."

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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2007, 07:34:12 PM »
I am sorry guys my opinion about Anastasia is too stong and  I have to be serious no!!! I never seen Maria, Tatiana, or Olga in play. But yes Anastasia. But I can not stand Anna Anderson she is so dishonest and lies too much if Anastasia knew all about Anderson pretending to be her she would have tried to put her in jail and . Anna Anderson and Anastasia looked nothing alike. Those memories from people who where friends and relatives of the imperial family even think that Anastasia's personality is unique and different and famous like I said earlier. These qoutes proved that they would have enjoyed her and remember her different attitude more so than OTM in my opinion. Anastasia is special, important and famous. I still love OTMA. Olga is very much in personality that's why I like her alot and attitude but I realy love Anastasia the most !!!! THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION:)


"My favorite god-daughter she was indeed! I liked her fearlessness. She never whimpered or cried, even when hurt. She was a fearful tomboy." - Olga A.
"She was still the obsinate, naughty and irrepressibly cheerful Anastasia' and in the days of exile her gay and boisterous temperament proved of immeasurable value to the rest of her family." - G. Botkin
"For all her weaknesses you were bound to love this child, because you could not escape from her irresistible charm, made up of freshness, enjoyment of life, ingenuousness and simplicity." - Gilliard
"Someone in speaking to me of the four little girls lately said to me, "Olga has grace, wit, and good looks; Tatiana is a regular beauty; Marie is so sweet-natured, good and obliging, no one could help loving her; but little Anastasie has personal charm beyond any child I ever saw." - M. Eager



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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2007, 07:40:42 PM »
 I hope my post doesn't sound rude or "above" anyone, I apologize if it does...

Holly,
  It doesn't matter if people make plays, write stories, or anything doesn't mean a single thing! Sure, she's big in the media, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's living on in the creator's memories.
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The fact is that she was different from her sisters.
  I think they were all pretty different from each other.
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Someone in speaking to me of the four little girls lately said to me, "Olga has grace, wit, and good looks; Tatiana is a regular beauty; Marie is so sweet-natured, good and obliging, no one could help loving her; but little Anastasie has personal charm beyond any child I ever saw." - M. Eager

  Not to disrespect M. Eager, but I think you can say that about a lot of children in the past, that doesn't mean they all live in our memories.
   Again, I don't think it matters about how many people write a play about you, if there's movies about you, etc. What should matter is, whether or not one lives on in a person's memory because of their character, not because of how often someone is in the media.




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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2007, 08:13:34 PM »
Yeah that is true Anastasia did have someting that OTM do not have, and I think I know what it is determination and hope. Unlike her the girls did not have as much determination as she did. She had the courage  and never giving up and the personality that many girls did not have during her time she was so unique and famous. OTM are special too, but in a different way that is not as special with Anastasia had a purpose and message to bring to the troubled world.... Holly's website has a special message to Anastasia I am sure that Anastasia would be happy and proud for you Holly for making a website so wonderful and nice dedicated to a life of a girl.

You guys are all doing good work with your websites and such, and I salute you.

But really, what evidence do you have that Anastasia had more "purpose and determination" than her sisters?  Where did she show more courage and "not giving up" than other girls? Of course the whole family showed courage during their imprisonment, but  I'd be interested to see your sources that show Anastasia showing more qualities than the others.


I think your website is great Holly, but I'm agreeing with Jehan.
 I think that Anastasia is great, but I wouldn't really say that she's the one who's going to live on in everyone's memories the most. Just because she was different than her other sisters doesn't really make her the greatest and had more courage than the others. Everyone relates differently to the sisters, afterall. Tatiana may be strong in some minds, while Olga or Maria may be a big force with others, no?

I have a very different opinion Sasha !!! I agree differently about the grand duchesses from anyone I sure many people have their difffernt views on who was the most popular grand duchess and some say they liked all of them and thought they all are unique in their own way and none of them are better than each other. Listen everyone all opinions about the grand duchesses should be respected if someone disagree's with someone else I would not bother them it will get them angry and furious. 8)

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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2007, 07:30:00 AM »
Thank you Elizabeth~Princess. I totally agree with you.

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It doesn't matter if people make plays, write stories, or anything doesn't mean a single thing! Sure, she's big in the media, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's living on in the creator's memories.
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Again, I don't think it matters about how many people write a play about you, if there's movies about you, etc. What should matter is, whether or not one lives on in a person's memory because of their character, not because of how often someone is in the media.
Okay.. So since there are plays and movies and books about Anne Frank and not her sister you wouldn't say she lives on in the people's memory the most? People don't just make Anastasia merchandise because they pulled her name out of a hat.. Anna Anderson brought Anastasia to light but she isn't the only reason she is famous. It is because of her character and her personality that keeps people interested. That's why she continues to be the most famous in the public eye and people know the most about her.
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I think they were all pretty different from each other.
Sure they weren't exactly alike, but her personality was far different from OTM, that's why she stood out the most.
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Not to disrespect M. Eager, but I think you can say that about a lot of children in the past, that doesn't mean they all live in our memories.
Maybe if we were talking about all the little children of the world this would be true.. but we're just talking about OTMA. And according to all the memoirs I've read, this is true.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying Anastasia was better or more important than the others. I adore them all very much and I remember each of them with love. I wish they could all be remembered with the world as much as Anastasia has so far. But it's just how it is.



"Господь им дал дар по молитвам их размягчать окаменелые наши сердца за их страдания..Мне думается, что если люди будут молиться Царской Cемье, оттают сердца с Божией помощью."

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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2007, 08:17:04 AM »
Thank you Elizabeth~Princess. I totally agree with you.


Keep in mind, I'm not saying Anastasia was better or more important than the others. I adore them all very much and I remember each of them with love. I wish they could all be remembered with the world as much as Anastasia has so far. But it's just how it is.


Thanks yes I also agree with you especialy under this quote. I also wish people knew OTM also as much as Anastasia. It would make me feel better. Because I have some of my friends at school,  have you heard of the romanovs and they said no then I said what about Anastasia and then they said yes they began to mention that they seen the Anastasia 1997 movie and then I asked then do they know Olga, Tatiana and Maria do not have a clue who OTM are but they know Anastasia. Unlike them, I know completly and almost everything about Alix,OTM especialy Olga. They said after they saw the movie they said I did not know who those girls sitting in the potrait in the movie. They did not even know who  the mother was Alexandra is but they knew who Nicholas was and especialy Rasputin and Anastasia. But there was numerous false things in the movie they made the movie to be entertaining, fun and exciting. It is sad thst people do not know a thing at all about Alix and OTM. :( that is sad.
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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2007, 08:25:18 AM »
That's exactly the response I get when I ask people about it. And it is very sad. That's why that cartoon should never have been made, in my opinion. It's good if you have no idea that the real family existed, but after you learn that she was actually murdered at 17, the whole movie is bittersweet.
"Господь им дал дар по молитвам их размягчать окаменелые наши сердца за их страдания..Мне думается, что если люди будут молиться Царской Cемье, оттают сердца с Божией помощью."

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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2007, 08:53:59 AM »
That's exactly the response I get when I ask people about it. And it is very sad. That's why that cartoon should never have been made, in my opinion. It's good if you have no idea that the real family existed, but after you learn that she was actually murdered at 17, the whole movie is bittersweet.
Those students at my school told me that she ran away and died of old age like in her 80's in the 1980's they said to me her family was killed by Rasputin and his curse in 1916 then her grandma saved her and she lost her then she was raised in a orphanage and  en years later these two con men help help and wanted the money. Then Anya has a dog that helps her find the right path.Then they convinced to the Empress Maria that she is the grand duchess Anastasia then Marie refuse to believe her and then Anya was angry and then Dmitri conviced the empress then she belived she was Anastasia because of her music box and Anya found out who she realy was. Anastasia royal diaries is fictional the summary biography in there is real. But the diary was made up by

Then they said it was based on a true story I told them yes but none of the stuff in the Anastasia movie was right her family did not get killed in 1916 it was 1918 and plus Rasputin died earlier in 1916 then the people who killed her was the bolshevik revolutionaries and Anastaia did not survive the murder she was 17 when she died. I told them that you all need to read books about Romanovs and watch the documentaries like Nicholas and Alexandra A&E the 1971 movie was awful and the imformation was misleading. They said wow Valeria your know too much about History and Romanovs. They said that I should be a historian. I realy said no I don't I want to write a book about the Romanovs so people can learn a lesson about the true Anastasia and her sisters Alix and Nicky and the Hesse family Ernest, Ella, Victoria Melita, English and Britiish and Queen Victoria, Queen Elizbaeth II and other Romanov relations like Xenia and Olga Nicky's sisters. :)

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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2007, 01:45:03 AM »
That's exactly the response I get when I ask people about it. And it is very sad. That's why that cartoon should never have been made, in my opinion. It's good if you have no idea that the real family existed, but after you learn that she was actually murdered at 17, the whole movie is bittersweet.
Those students at my school told me that she ran away and died of old age like in her 80's in the 1980's they said to me her family was killed by Rasputin and his curse in 1916 then her grandma saved her and she lost her then she was raised in a orphanage and  en years later these two con men help help and wanted the money. Then Anya has a dog that helps her find the right path.Then they convinced to the Empress Maria that she is the grand duchess Anastasia then Marie refuse to believe her and then Anya was angry and then Dmitri conviced the empress then she belived she was Anastasia because of her music box and Anya found out who she realy was. Anastasia royal diaries is fictional the summary biography in there is real. But the diary was made up by

lol OMG please tell me you're kidding me.

And please don't forget that in real life Rasputin did not cause the Revolution alone....







... It was him and his pet bat Bartok!

lol Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against historical fiction, not at all. But I hate when people don't realize it's just that, FICTION. It's not made to be the truth.
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Re: This just about sums up Anastasia
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2007, 11:13:47 AM »
I'd love to see a very well-done movie that focuses on the point of view of OTMA.  It could even be on in anime style (Anne Frank's story has been anime-ized once... I like the anime version of Margot Frank).

Tatiana, the leader of OTMA, would have to have a big part in the movie.  (Besides, she's my favorite.)

It really is a shame that Anastasia's sisters aren't as well known.  Most people know about Anastasia, but not as many know about the others.  It's gotten so bad that the cover of Rasputin's Daughter gets away with posting a picture of Tatiana.  Poor Tatiana.  Poor me!  When I first saw that book, I thought it was a book about Tatiana.  Bleh!