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Jebediha

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What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« on: November 22, 2008, 04:55:35 PM »
What would the "Devil" Lenin do. If he was alive today. And saw that the Romanov family are lovd by many...?

what do you think the idiot would do ?

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 09:51:43 AM »
First, Lenin wasn´t as idiot and he wasn´t a devil. He was a man hungry for power, who unfortunatelly was very charismatic, willful and used all the means possible.
Second: I think this question is irrelevant. There are lot of people who love Lenin. He didn´t really care if people loved IF then , why would he care now?

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 10:05:21 AM »
I agree with GD Ally.  Lenin did not care what anyone thought, about him or anyone else. His agenda was strictly pragmatic and power.To him, the IF were dispensible, in the way.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 10:36:19 AM »
And I don't think you should call him "idiot", because many Russians thought him as the solution ... Calling him idiot is also calling people who trusted him of idiots.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 10:48:04 AM »
And I don't think you should call him "idiot", because many Russians thought him as the solution ... Calling him idiot is also calling people who trusted him of idiots.

I did not call him an idiot. But i will call him what ever i want to.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 11:00:07 AM »
what do you think the idiot would do ?

It seems you did though.
Yes, you can call him whatever you want... but I don't think a man who came so quickly (just after the Revolutin) at the head of the power is an idiot.
He gave hope to the Russian People who wanted the Great War to be finished, since the Kerensky government wanted it to continue.
I don't like Lenin either, but since many people who wanted to live in a better way in their country(and that is a normal wish) trusted him , that's why I would not call him an idiot.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 11:03:46 AM »
He was far too clever to be any kind of "idiot"

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2008, 04:36:17 AM »
I agree he wasn't an idiot as the OP implyed.  Lenin was a man who first wanted revenge for the execution of his brother.  However like most politicans he glamourized the need to get rid of the royals. He told people that the country needed to band together so they could be one nation, that everyone was equal.

However his vision didnt turn out the way he wanted.  People were and are still poor etc. 

Proud_Olga

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2008, 12:35:00 PM »
I think the communist ideology is good in itself (any idealistic person would like to live in a world where everyone is equal) but there are also the human feelings (jealousy, selfishness...) and of course the thirst of power (just like Lenin and Stalin)... This ideology is too perfect and utopian to come real...

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2008, 12:48:20 PM »
Exactly. It is probably the most humanistic ideology. The problem is in people. I know a lot of people who are communists and they are incredibly good persons, I admire them and love them. Then of course are such people like Stalin. But when you think about it, every regime has its heroes and monsters.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »
I don't see any heroes in Russia during the communism... Or perhaps Gorbatchev to have at least realised that the politic at this time in his country wasn't that good, even if the Russian people doesn't seem to like him. But from the beginning, this politic wasn't done properly.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 01:35:47 PM »
Well, I meant more like common people believing in the idea. Every honest and open person is a hero.

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Re: What would the "Devil" Lenin do
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2008, 01:49:26 PM »
Oh, yes  :).  From this side, I have to agree! Defending such a idea is so beautiful, but still it's hard to believe in it... People just don't fit in...