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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2004, 01:24:34 AM »
Yeah, i like the song, I dont know if its ocar winning, but its definatly haunting, and always reminds me of the innocent and fairytale life of the Imperial Family..
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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2004, 08:13:12 PM »
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Hey, one could say that the music "Titanic" (not the movie) is kind of crass,


Actually you are right, but not because of the material that it is based on.

The reason the score for Titanic is kind of regarded as a mundane orchestral achievement is because it is vastly similar to the extraordinary masterpeice "BRAVEHEART" which was composed two-three years earlier by the same "master" if you can call him that. There's no doubt that Horner is a master of themes, but there are more flaws than you can tell at first glance. If you do not know film scores, or classical music, you wouldn't really have any clue as to what I'm talking about when I make the following points.

1: Horner has a history of repeating himself in many or all of his works.

2: Horner has a history of copying other composers to the last detail. I cite the following works:
A: Enemy At The Gates
B: Troy

Enemy At The Gates is mostly stolen from a "true master" (who does copy on his own occasionally but not so often as Horner) John Williams, with Schindler's List playing throughout the film.

Troy is a disappointment. It was composed in about six weeks, perhaps that is why it's turned out so poorly. The fans of classical music will surely be appalled to hear Shostakovich's 5th Symphony blared throughout to the very last detail.

3: Horner uses the same 4-note motif at relatively the same speed to indicate suspense. It was brilliant the first time he used it in Willow, but not so brilliant after 20+ films later.

4: His themes are vast, and he has good understanding of the characters and actions on screen. However, underneath the themes is quite boring and not difficult underscore.

5: The main reason Titanic is so respected in film score circuits is because it actually made people realize that there really IS a score to a film. Interesting change, considering thta in the early days of the talking picture there was no music because many of the directors, producers, etc. felt the audience would wonder "Where is that music coming from?" Over the years it's been just background noise to the average moviegoer, even though the films more often than not made the viewing experience more interesting with an impressive, haunting score than without.

Example: When Universal re-released its 1931 horror classic DRACULA with Bela Lugosi, they asked the Academy Award-nominated (previously I said winning, but I forgot as I was typing that that I had said "Academy Award,"
rather than "Golden Globe," which is what Glass DID win. Glass has never won an Oscar, but has been nominated several times, most recently for his haunting "The Hours.") composer Phillip Glass to write a score for it. He did, using only a string quartet: the Kronos quartet, as a matter of fact. When you watch it without the music as it had originally been done, it isn't as scary IMO (but scary enough certainly!) as the version with the chilling Herman-like string movements.

Of course horror films are often-times made all the scarier by the chilling scores that come with them, but eveyone knows this, surely...

Halloween
The Omen
Jaws
Psycho
SIgns
The Village

Just to name a few.

I suppose I've made my points. *bows* Thank you. For those interested in hearing samples of the above works, please reference the following:

www.filmtracks.com
www.amazon.com
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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2004, 08:45:40 PM »
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The 20th Century Fox Movie, "Anastasia" also got me interested in the romanovs.  I recorded it on VHS many years ago when it was new, and last year I think it was, I bought the movie on DVD and still watch it frequently, at least once every two weeks  must say.  It is my favorite animated movie EVER!!!  Although I do feel deep, deep sympathy for descendants of the IF because I understand how a movie can offend you like that, I have had a similar experience with a movie that hurt me because of my family.  The song "Once Upon A December"  is my favorite song ever!!!  I have two different versions of it burned onto a cd of mine and also listen to it frequently.  It is quite haunting and very enticing.  If it was not for that movie and that song  I would not have even cared about the Romanovs.  I probably would have considered them just another piece of history.  After I saw that movie, I immediatley started researching them, and I am technically buried in papers after papers, books after books, movies after movies on them.  I am eternally grateful to that movie and I loved every part of it!  Except they could have made Rasputin a little more realistic.  In fact, I think that I am going to get a bag of popcorn and pop in the DVD now.   ;)


Wow. You basically summed up everything I feel towards this movie. I am proud to say that I enjoyed this movie. Although, I must admit that i only watched the movie because i was interested in the Romanovs. I had taken a course over the summer on Russian history, which had sparked my interest.
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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2004, 12:18:52 PM »
I was born in December.So the song has a special meaning to me too.

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2004, 03:22:16 PM »
I was also born in December as well. I watched it first in grade two and absolutely thought it wonderful and fascinating.

I watched it again just last year and I couldn't help but point out true historical facts and my friends all told me to shut up and that it was bad enough that we had to watch a "kiddie" movie.

But the song is very haunting and I hear it in my head all the time. It's very sad what REALLY happened to the royal family.

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2004, 04:43:18 PM »
I was born in December also. I love the song, and I really loved in the movie when the royal ghost step out of the paintings and waltz. That was the best part of the movie. I remember saying  when I came out of the movie theater, that the "Once Upon A December" scene was great, and the rest was just stupid.

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2004, 01:56:14 AM »
hello everyone,
this is such a lovely site. :D

i understand that Anastasia'97 has very little historical truth. but i was just wondering if a 'count Anatoly', 'uncle Vanya' , 'Kroputkin' existed. i heard these names in the song "learn to do it". the line goes something like 'count anatoly.. had a wart.., etc.'

i've been trying to search for the family tree, but to no avail. hope someone can shed a light.

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2004, 02:01:59 AM »
Nope, none of those people existed.

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« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2004, 09:24:31 AM »
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but i was just wondering if a 'count Anatoly', 'uncle Vanya' , 'Kroputkin' existed.


Could that be a reference to Peter Kropotkin?

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2004, 06:40:28 AM »
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Could that be a reference to Peter Kropotkin?
if there is one peter kropotkin, couldn't there be a count anatoly/anatolii?

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2004, 10:42:16 AM »
Do you know of Chekhov's 'Dyadya Vanya'?

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2004, 06:03:56 AM »
hy! there is a cartoon that i want to see for a long time and it is anastasia.I always heard that it xas a beautiful cartoon. Is it true?    

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2004, 07:51:12 AM »
"Anastasia" by 20th Century Fox was made in 1997. Is this the film you are talking about?

If so, there is a thead on it right here, it may answer your questions:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=films_cat;action=display;num=1093907872

Quick Answer: The film is something that got many of us interested in the IF, however the factual content of the film is discusting, and not really to be watched to learn about the last IF. If you really want to know more about Anastasia and her family read "Nicholas and Alexandra" By Robert K. Massie, a thread on that book can be found here - not much info, but it gives a little - :

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Books;action=display;num=1098877853

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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2004, 11:56:32 AM »
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"Anastasia" by 20th Century Fox was made in 1997. Is this the film you are talking about?


It's a  nice animated film (not a cartoon), but not accurate at all.  However, the year it came out, I convinced my husband to go to Toys R Us and get me for Christmas one of the Anastasia Dolls (the ball gown one) and I also discovered they were selling Nicholas II dolls, too ..  I looked at my husband, and smiled, and said, I won't make a scene in the doll aisle, if you get me this doll now ...... for Christmas -- the Anasastia doll came with a stand so she can dance with her father ...as in the animated film.
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Re: Anastasia Cartoon circa 1995
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2004, 05:27:00 PM »
They had a Skating Princess Anastasia doll, I thought that was hilarious considering there is no skating in the movie.
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