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Offline Annette

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Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« on: August 31, 2004, 02:52:56 AM »
Hi

I tried this in the friends and retainers topic by mistake so just thought I would also try here...

Has anyone heard of Princes Abameshkya or Princess N Abamelik?  I am not sure whether they are one and the same person.  The address I have for Princess Abameshkya is opposite the riding school in Tsarskoe Selo.  

Any info gratefully received!

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 04:14:54 AM »
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Has anyone heard of Princes Abameshkya or Princess N Abamelik?  

I doubt if the name Abameshkya appears in any source available on the web. Are you sure of the spelling? If it's taken from some printed source, could you scan it and post here or send by email?

As to Abamelek, it was a well-known and very wealthy family. They owned a palace in Petersburg, a great villa in Rome and many other properties. At what time did "your" princess Abamelek live?

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2004, 04:25:32 AM »
Hi Mike

Thank you so much for your reply.  

I have a reference written to Princess Abameshkya from Nadine Vonlarlarksky dated 1915 introducing Nadine's former English nanny (the address on the envelope is in Russian so I am not certain I have the name exact).  I also have several letters from N Abamelik to the nanny from Paris dated circa 1921 - 1923 asking about the possibility of coming to England to find work.  Therefore I thought they might be one and the same person.  

Sorry to be vague but the letters are at home and I am at work.  

Any info on Abamelik would be brilliant, I have searched round the web but couldn't locate anything.  

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2004, 04:42:07 AM »
If you scan the envelope and parts of the letters where the princess' name appears and email to me, I'd try to find out more.

A web search yields more results for the name spelled Abamelek.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2004, 04:24:56 AM »
Hi Mike

Thanks for your help.  I have scanned the documents but can only do them in Adobe.  Is it OK to send them to your private email address?

Thanks again.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2004, 04:32:43 AM »
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 Is it OK to send them to your private email address?

Sure; send also to chereisky@hotmail.co.il

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2004, 10:46:57 AM »
Annette, I've got the images. The address on the envelope reads:

To Her Highness the Princess Abamelek
At Kirasirskaya St., opposite the riding-hall
Tsarskoye Selo


The name is 100% Abamelek, not Abameshkya. The Russian title knyazhna refers to a prince's unmarried daughter rather than wife. The address suggests that the princess' father was a Cuirassier officer (of the "Yellow" Cuirassiers), since the whole street was within that regiment's compound in Tsarskoye Selo.

There were several branches of the Abamelek family. "Your" princess apparently didn't belong to the illustrious and fabulously wealthy Abamelek-Lazarevs - otherwise the second name would appear on the envelope. This probably explains why she had to seek a job after the revolution and to write from Riga to the English nanny. Her short name Nath points at Nathalie (Nataliya); however I haven't found any reference to such a person on the web...

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2004, 11:16:38 AM »
Hi Mike

Thank you so much for the great update!  The English and grammar alone in the letter led me to believe that Princess A wasn't from the 'wealthy' end of the family.  Just interesting to know it was one and the same person as I had thought.  

I have a whole bunch of paintings/sewing/photos from the nanny's time in Russia but no notes detailing background to the things, which is a great shame.  I am a bit dubious about some of the nanny's claims made to the English government afterwards for compensation ('two years in jail/shot during skirmish/large amounts of money stolen by Red Army') but who knows, it's all lost in the midsts of time I guess!

Thanks for your help, please do let me know if you have any other ideas on how I can trace Princess A!

Kind regards and thanks again.

Annette

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2005, 01:47:37 PM »
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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2005, 03:01:34 PM »
I am uncertain as to when this palace on the Moika was constructed. There seems to be contradicting information on the Internet. The architect L. A. Fomin is credited with its design in 1914 but I also find the dates 1806-08 relating to its construction. Could this be an older palace with a newer facde?

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2005, 04:06:33 PM »


well, all i can say is this:

the address for this mansion/palace is no.22-24.    i suspect that the dates you've found in relation to this building may all be correct.   it's a large establishment, i'd imagine it may have built in stages.....

anyone know for sure?

NOTE: the red arrow is only to point out which of this building's 4 facades is shown in the photo.    
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2005, 11:17:03 AM »
This palace is the last palace which was built in Peterburg so its name is Last Palace ( in about 1915).
This palace have built not as living space,  ( Lazarev's lived in other palace) , but only for the balls and parties.

There is a theater scene there too.
Now the palace is using for tourist purpose - there are a lot of concerts with meal for tourists ( meal are delivered). There was  a  gift shop there too.
But now is only the night meal - concert place for tourist groups. I love to sit at  its balcony during white nights  very much.

It is very small palace.

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2005, 07:11:42 AM »
I have found some more materials about this palace:
The Last Palace in St. Petersburg ( this is an extract from special pamflet)
" The Abamelek Lazarev house is on of the famous buildings that have been constructed in 20th century in St. Petersburg. Is is notable, that is is the last palace constructed in our city.  The building was constructed in 1735-1737 for Count Apraksin, and in 1770-ies  it was rebuilt. In 1911, Countess Alyabieva, who was the owner of the house, sold it to the Duke S.S. Abamelek-Lazarev. For Arkhitect Fomin the Duke designed an original project of a new building. The main demand was to construct two large halls ( a dining room and  a theater and ball hall), and it had to pattern after the facade design of the Marble Palace. This construction by architect Fomin, became a classical example of the neoclassicism. The design of the facade and the interiors, which attract our attention by its large-scale forms, the classicism heritage features and at the same time by the bright individual Fomin's style are known very well. And we will pay an attention to the particular features of the building that regard to the conststruction context of that time. At first, this building could be hardly call a "mansion". There were no living rooms . The huge main staircases were considered to meet quests only , and they had a different  entrance with a reception hall. There were held balls and routs attended by the Petersburg's beau monde. The last Emperor of Russia NicholasII often visited these formal parties."

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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2005, 10:16:41 PM »
Would the "Yellow" Cuirassiers be refering to His Imperial Majesty's Life-Guard Cuirassier Regement? This is the only cuirassier regiment with yellow facings that would be at Tsarskoe Selo.

I could not find a turn of the century Nataliya Abamelik or Nataliya Abamelik-Lazarov in my books. I did find a Princesss Nataliya Isaakovna Abamelik born in 1841 but I doubt that this would be the woman looking for work in 1923.

David


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Re: Princes Abamelik-Lasarev
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2005, 07:40:45 AM »
Many thanks David, it's very frustrating having little snippets of a life but not being able to find out any more!

Thanks again.

Annette