Help with Photo Identification, Question or Caption

[Eric_Lowe]

The cut of the dress suggested that she wasn't even a Russian Grand Duchess. The dress looks Hungarian in cut (like Sisi would wear), and tiara was not the Russian Fringe type. She could be Hungarian in the Austro-Hungarian court, as her features looked a bit dark.

[Svetabel]

No a Russian Grand Duchess definitely. More likely some noble Hungarian girl/woman.

[gogm]

Can anyone identify this sitter in a Winterhalter for sale at Boris Wilnitsky:

[MarieCharlotte]

Doesn't look like an archduchess ...

[paola]

Can anyone identify this sitter in a Winterhalter for sale at Boris Wilnitsky:

She looks to me to be Queen Stephanie of Portugal, wife of King Pedro V

[Marc]

It really looks like Stefanie,although I would regard her as thinner than in this portrait...but I also think that this is someone somehow connected to the Bavarian family...

[MarieCharlotte]

It really looks like Stefanie,although I would regard her as thinner than in this portrait...but I also think that this is someone somehow connected to the Bavarian family...

No, she is not a member of the Bavarian royal family. I don't think that she's Stefanie of Portugal either.

[paola]

Iam inclined to believe it is Queen Estefania of Portugal. In  this picture she wears what  looks to be the same dress and pearl necklace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estaf%C3%A2nia_Hohenzollern_Sigmarigen.JPG

[CountessKate]

I've seen it before and wondered if it was in fact Stephanie's siter, Marie Countess of Flanders.  The resemblence to Stephanie is strong, but I thought her features were softer and she was the prettier of the two.  Here is a picture of Marie - I don't have her in profile, unfortunately:

[Marc]

Iam inclined to believe it is Queen Estefania of Portugal. In  this picture she wears what  looks to be the same dress and pearl necklace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Estaf%C3%A2nia_Hohenzollern_Sigmarigen.JPG

Yes,you are right,the dress is almost the same,if not...

[MarieCharlotte]

Agneschen, Sveta, REMI, synnadene ... and everyone else: I need your help!

Today I was looking for pictures of Archduke Friedrich's grandchildren. I found a very nice photograph whose caption says: "Friedrich's nine grandchildren. Preßburg (?), ca. 1915", but I wasn't able to identify the children.



For a bigger version, please click here: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/mariasophia1841/friedrich_enkel02.jpg

Friedrich had the following grandchildren:

Salm-Salm:
- Isabelle (1903-2009)
- Rosemary (1904-2001)
- Nikolaus (1906-1988)
- Cäcilie (1911-1991)
- Franz (1912-1917)

Bourbon-Parma:
- Elisabeth (1904-1983)
- Carlo (1905-1912)
- Francesca (1906-1994)
- Roberto (1909-1974)
- Francesco (1913-1939)
- Giovanna (1916-1949)
- Alice (1917)
- Christina (1925)

Hohenlohe:
- Elisabeth (1909-1987)
- Natalie (1911-1989)
- Friedrich (1913-1945)

Archduchess Alice's children were born between 1921 and 1933, which means they can't be in the picture.

What I think is that the three tallest children are Isabelle, Rosemary and Nikolaus Salm-Salm. Maybe the two smallest are Cäcilie and Franz Salm-Salm. Franz died in 1917 which means that the picture must have been taken before 1917.
Besides, I think that the handsame young boy with dark curls doesn't fit into that group. Friedrich's grandchildren were all rather plain - just like their mothers.
What I also know is that Friedrich Hohenlohe is not in the picture. He had very fair curly hair.

Here is a picture of Albrecht and "his nieces and nephews". The caption doesn't identify the people, but I think they are the five Salm-Salm children - and again there is the dark-haired boy ...



Thanks a lot in advance.

Marie

[Svetabel]

Today I was looking for pictures of Archduke Friedrich's grandchildren. I found a very nice photograph whose caption says: "Friedrich's nine grandchildren. Preßburg (?), ca. 1915", but I wasn't able to identify the children.


Marie

The quick glance:

Well, the three tallest are the Salms - Isabella, Rosmarie, Nikolaus.... The little girl between 2 boys is more likely Elisabeth Hohenlohe (she doesn't resemble Francesca Parma)...

[Svetabel]

I definitely stuck on that dark-haired boy! He indeed doesn't look like a child of any Friedrich's daughters..I even looked through the Croy genealogy in searching of "a suitable boy" but in vain. I'd say he has a Wittelsbach look but not quite though...

[MarieCharlotte]

Thanks, Sveta. So we have from left to right: Isabelle, Rosemary and Nikolaus Salm Salm, the mysterious boy, three unknown children, Elisabeth Hohenlohe and another unknown boy. Do you have any idea concerning these other "unknown" children?

The dark-haired boy seems to have spent a lot of time with Friedrich's grandchildren, but I also don't think that he is one of them. He resembles Prince Luitpold of Bavaria, but he isn't a Wittelsbach.

The little girl (fourth from right) looks quite pretty, a bit frail. Who could she be? Maybe one of the Parmas? I guess that the boys next to her are her brothers as they were the same shirts and shoes.

[Svetabel]

Thanks, Sveta. So we have from left to right: Isabelle, Rosemary and Nikolaus Salm Salm, the mysterious boy, three unknown children, Elisabeth Hohenlohe and another unknown boy. Do you have any idea concerning these other "unknown" children?

The dark-haired boy seems to have spent a lot of time with Friedrich's grandchildren, but I also don't think that he is one of them. He resembles Prince Luitpold of Bavaria, but he isn't a Wittelsbach.

The little girl (fourth from right) looks quite pretty, a bit frail. Who could she be? Maybe one of the Parmas? I guess that the boys next to her are her brothers as they were the same shirts and shoes.

After one more time staring at the photo I must agree with your first identification:

The tallest are the Salms.
Then dark-haired mysterious boy.
Then must be 3 Parma chidren as they resemble each other a lot and dress almost alike: but here's a question - the girl is definitely Francesca (Elisabeth had more round face), the younger boy is Roberto, and what about the elder - Carlo?? He died in 1912, your photo is about 1915. Could the photo be of 1912,f.e.? Unlikely, as the eldest Salms look like teenagers...
The youngest are the Salms - Cäcilie and Franz.

So - 3 questions : who's the dark-haired boy? who's the boy in front of him? and is 1915 the year of the picture?