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[gogm]

Wikipedia has this about her:



"Archduchess Maria Theresa (Isabella) of Austria (31 July 1816, Vienna – 8 August 1867, Albano) was the second Queen consort of Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies.

Family:

She was the eldest daughter of Archduke Charles, Duke of Teschen and Henrietta of Nassau-Weilburg.

Her paternal grandparents were Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor and Maria Louisa of Spain. Her maternal grandparents were Frederick William of Nassau-Weilburg (1768- 1816) and his wife Louise Isabelle of Kirchberg.

Frederick William was the eldest surviving son of Karl Christian of Nassau-Weilburg and Princess Wilhelmine Carolina of Orange-Nassau.

Wilhelmine Carolina was a daughter of William IV, Prince of Orange and Anne, Princess Royal and Princess of Orange. Anne was in turn the eldest daughter of George II of Great Britain and Caroline of Ansbach.

Marriage:

On 27 January 1837, Maria Theresa married Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies. The bride was almost twenty-one years old and the groom twenty-seven. They had twelve children together:

    * Lodovico, Count of Trani (1838 – 1886). Married Mathilde Ludovika, Duchess in Bavaria, sister of Empress Elisabeth of Austria. Their only daughter, Princess Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, married Prince Wilhelm of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.
    * Alberto, Count of Castrogiovanni (1839 – 1844).
    * Alfonso, Count of Caserta (1841 – 1934). Married his first cousin Princess Antonietta of the Two Sicilies and has issue. The current lines of Bourbon-Sicily descend from him.
    * Maria Annuziata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1843 – 1871). Married Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria.
    * Maria Immacolata Clementina of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1844 – 1899). Married Archduke Karl Salvator of Tuscany.
    * Prince Gaetano of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1846 – 1871). In 1868, he married Isabel, Infanta of Spain (eldest daughter of Queen Isabella II of Spain) and was created Infante of Spain.
    * Giuseppe, Count of Lucera (1848 – 1851).
    * Maria Pia of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1849 – 1882). Married Roberto I Duke of Parma and Piacenza.
    * Vincenzo, Count of Melazzo (1851 – 1854)
    * Pasquale, Count of Bari (1852 – 1904). Married morganatically to Blanche Marconnay.
    * Maria Immacolata Luisa of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1855 – 1874). Married Enrico Prince of Bourbon-Parma, Count di Bardi.
    * Gennaro, Count of Caltagirone (1857 – 1867)."

[Yseult]

Thank you, gogm!
What a lovely archduchess! I think she has a very pretty face. And I wonder if she had a happy life...

[Alixz]

I wonder too, with 12 children she spent a lot of time pregnant.  Actually 9 years of her marriage were spent being pregnant.

[Alixz]

From the looks of her eyes and face, she may have had a stroke.  It looks as though she lost some muscle control in her face. 

But then the other pictures are of portraits and the artist may have made her look prettier than she was.

The last picture being a photograph could not hide anything.  And after saying that, the older we get the softer the tissue around our eyes gets.  That is why so many women opt for "eye surgery" to restore a look of youth.

[Mari]

Actually although She doesn't look happy She is still nice looking for her age. I mean She's in her late 50's maybe and not smiling. But you can look at her small features and round eyes and tell She would have been very pretty. I think its just age and We're use to women wearing makeup and having Eye tucks today. Women didn't look young back then after their 20's according to some of the tin- o- types I've looked at and I've seen 100's.

[Marc]

I think I saw this first portrait a while ago,but if I remember it is also said to be Maria Christina of Savoy,daughter of Maria Theresia and first wife of King Ferdinand II of Bourbon Two-Sicilies,but now I don't know what to think myself...

[Bourgogne]

I've found this portrait under the name of 'Maria-Josepha'... I suppose it can be Maria-Josepha of Austria, electress of Saxony, but I don't really recognize her on this picture. I see the electoral hat on the table, but isn't she another princess of Saxony, of Bavaria, or...?
If somebody is sure of the identification on this portrait... Thank you!

[britt.25]

Yes, I think you are right. This is the daughter of emperor Joseph I. (1678-1711) and Amalia Wilhelmine of Lüneburg (1673-1742). She lived from 1699-1757 and was married to Friedrich August II of Saxony and Poland, whom she had 15 children with. She is described as a very caring mother and very religious, too. She does not look alike on every picture, that's true. Like always it depends on the artist.
I must say from the face the Princess on the portrait does also look a bit like her niece, also called Maria Josepha, who was married to Joseph II. (who didn't love her at all and didn't care about her, and later her illness and death!), but I rather think this is the first possibility, which you already supposed.
Can you name me once again the page, where you found the picture? I remember that this is a fascinating page, but I have now forgotten the link...

[Marc]

I am allmost sure that this is a portrait of Duchess Maria Josepha von Baden-Baden,born Princess of Bavaria...

[britt.25]

Can you name the dates of Maria Josepha of Baden? So nobody of the line of Joseph I.? For me she looks very similar to Josephs daughter Maria Josepha, but maybe I'm wrong....
Who was the mentioned Princess of Baden? Born? Death? Please give a link or a comparison picture. Thank you!

[Marc]

She is a granddaughter of Emperor Joseph I through her mother Archduchess Maria Amalia...she lived from 1734-1776!

[gogm]

I've got this on my Webshots albums so I'd like to see a truly positive ID too. I have this as Maria Josefa of Bavaria but the bio may be of another Maria Josefa. Some names and name couplings are heavily recycled. Maria Teresa in various spellings is probably the most heavily recycled, but Maria Josefa was recycled too. I got this from a German site so I believe the Bavarian connection is real, even if my bio is for the wrong one.

[gogm]

Here's a Wikipedia image for Maria Jpsepha von Bayern:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maria_Josepha_von_Bayern.jpg

The parent article states:
"Maria Josepha (Marie Josephe Antonie Walburga Felicitas Regula, 20 March 1739 - 28 May 1767), Princess of Bavaria, was the daughter of Charles Albert, Elector of Bavaria and Maria Amalia of Austria. She was a member of the house of Wittelsbach.

Born on 30 March 1739 in Munich, Bavaria, on 23 January 1765, she married the widowed Joseph, King of the Romans, and heir of Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, in Schönbrunn Palace.

Upon her father-in-law's death on 18 August 1765, Maria Josepha became Empress consort of the Holy Roman Empire. Her mother-in-law, however, remained the most powerful and important figure in the Empire and at court in Vienna, and Maria Josepha's marriage to Joseph is said to have been an unhappy one. Maria Josepha died of smallpox on 28 May 1767, and was buried in the Capuchin monastery in Vienna."

[britt.25]

I think there were confused two people now. You think of the one, who I mentioned as second possibility, the wife of emperor Joseph II., whom - as I said- was not loved very much by her husband.
Marc rather thinks that it is her sister, who married Ludwig Georg Simpert, margrave of Baden-Baden. Strange. I can't say it, because the faces of all those bavarian princesses descending from Joseph I. are too similar! However the genealogies rather call the Princess of Baden-Baden Maria Anna Josepha, so Josepha rather appears as third name. The Princess on this portrait rather carries the name Maria Josepha as first name...strange....

Marc, how do you know that it might be her? Do you have any comparison picture? I didn't find any....a pity. So she was also sister in-law
of Joseph II., if your statement is right!

[trentk80]

I am allmost sure that this is a portrait of Duchess Maria Josepha von Baden-Baden,born Princess of Bavaria...

This princess is known as Maria Anna Josepha, not Maria Josepha.