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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2006, 03:09:58 AM »
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2006, 11:42:57 AM »
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In the clip, as they rip apart the bedlothes, the fabric behind the bed on which all the icons are hanging moves in the breeze.  I had always assumed the beds backed up to a solid wall covered in the same cloth as the bedhangings.

Bob A., maybe you could tell us if it was feasible that all these precious icons would have been hung on a drapery?

Hmm, you're right. I hadn't noticed that my first time watching it through. In the pictures Sarushka posted of the wall behind the bed, it looks like a wall covered with drapes, but there are so many icons covering it it's hard to be sure. I was looking up above them to see if it looked like drapery. Perhaps in the film since those drapes weren't weighed down so much from icons (you can see more space in between each), the drapes could blow more freely with all the rushed movement in the room (although those definitely aren't the original drapes)?

I think it's possible that this is the AP room and it was just used for the film. It would be much easier to use an actual room rather than construct a set that looks like it, although that certainly does make filming harder in such a closed-in space. What Tsarfan said about this makes sense. I would just be really surprised if a filmmaker back in 1927 took a lot of trouble to recreate a bedroom set with so many personal items. But who knows? Maybe this is a set.

I did think it was quite sad to see them tearing about the room, destroying the bedsheets, laughing at the lavatory, etc. though, especially if this is indeed the actual AP bedroom.
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2006, 12:15:51 AM »
It certainly looks like it must be a real room and not a set/stage.   The draperies are wrong but with the large amount of personal items, i agree it must have been shot in the AP.

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It's a stage set
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2006, 04:40:32 PM »
which is why the wall moved.

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2006, 06:03:26 PM »
Actually, the fabric on the back of the real bedroom was a hung pink curtain and the icons were then hung from cords from the top.  That's why they move around.

Some of the items in the film are actually in the AP, so they must have been there.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2006, 07:58:51 PM »
if you compare the fabrics they are two different fabrics.  Eisenstein filmed on location at the Winter Palace and several Moscow locations, but the "Cadet" scenes from the movie were filmed in studio.  The stage sets were made of wood frames with canvas "walls" to facilitate moving and storage of the sets.  This film, "October" or "Ten Days that Shook the World" as it was titled in English distribution is a very famous film at film schools.  Eisenstein claimed to have invented the "montage" or rapidly sequenced shots that move the action at a faster pace than was available at the time when the use of one stationary camera was the only available means of shooting.  Much of the film, in my opinion, owes its direction to D.W. Griffith's "Birth of A Nation" which also was one of the first full length films to use location and montage editing.  In watching both films, you can see the various editing "flubs" which resulted in walls moving or "ghosting" of sets, camera shadows visible and other mistakes made in filming.  Of course, I could have not remembered this correctly, it's been quite some time since I've read about this. 

p.s.  One of the jokes made at the time of the filming was that more people were injured when Eisenstein stormed the Winter Palace than when the revolutionaries did.

p.s.s.  Replicating sets would not have been difficult because there was ample documentation of the private rooms available to Eisenstein, who was afforded a relatively huge budget for this film at the time.

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2006, 09:08:50 AM »
and from what I gather, the location shots were in the Winter Palace, the Hermitage, outside the Winter Palace and several scenes shot in Moscow.  The scene where the Cadets are holding each other was a studio shot, (and there are others of course) and the room shots were done at the Winter Palace.  I would guess that to mean that the bedroom was indeed a location shot, but not at the Alexander Palace. 

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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2006, 10:35:38 AM »
Folks,
I have one of my best discovery, take a look on movie again, on timestamp 1:22 you would be able to see icon "Jesus Rescuing and Saving them", and here it is, in color:

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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2006, 08:15:40 AM »
One may also noticed the film Agony og Klimov turned in the 70ies and censured...

There is many scene in a place which is not exactly presented as Alexander palace but which looks like...

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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2007, 01:51:17 AM »
could someone who has seen the film (october) explain what were the soldiers supposed to do in the empress room (was she still in the palace?) or what were they looking for anyway (destroying furniture)?
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2007, 09:38:44 AM »
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/3640.html

Фото из книги 1927 года. Автор В.И.Яковлев (директор дворцов-музеев в Детском Селе). Странно, куда делись тумбочки белые около кроватей? Обивка стены отличается от до революционной. Тумбочки в фильме присутствуют.

Photo from the book of 1927. Author V.I.Jakovlev (director of palaces-museums in Detskoe Selo). It is strange, where bedside-tables white about beds have got to? The upholstery of a wall differs from up to revolutionary. Bedside-tables are present at film.
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2007, 09:41:55 AM »
Итересен фильм "Юность поэта" 1937 года. Снят он в Лицее, есть кадры прогулки актёров как в Екатерининском, так и в Александровском парке.

There is a film " the Youth of the poet " 1937. It is removed in Liceum, there is staff of walk of actors both in Ekaterininskom, and in Aleksandrovsk park.
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2007, 01:53:39 PM »
Кровать без круглой детали на фото а, в фильме с ней?
Bed without a round detail on a photo and, in film with it?

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom/5295.html
В фильме круглая деталь.
In film a round detail.

http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/3233.html
Плохо видно но её нет.
It is badly visible but it is not present.
http://pushkin-history.info/fotoalbom-old-1-/2633.html
На современных тоже нет.
On modern too is not present.
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2007, 02:09:33 PM »
Кажется всё-таки сняли фильм не в Александровском дворце, но результат вещи назад не вернули. Поэтому мы можем видеть их теперь в экспозиции дворца, так бы их война уничтожила как почти всё другое.

All seems have shot a film not in Aleksandrovsk a palace, but result of a thing have not returned back. Therefore we can see them now in an exposition of a palace so their war would destroy as almost all another.
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Re: New Movie of Alexandra's bedroom
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2007, 02:48:58 PM »
Wonderful photos Geglo!

So you think that the 1927 film was not shot in the Alexander Palace? 

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