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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2008, 07:44:37 AM »
many thanks for the information. Did he live on the estate at Chantilly or within the chateau? Do you know where the present Count lives?

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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2008, 11:15:06 AM »
many thanks for the information. Did he live on the estate at Chantilly or within the chateau? Do you know where the present Count lives?

1)The former count of Paris lived in an old people' home named "Fondation Condé", managed  by his "friend", Mrs Monique Friesz, retired now. La Fondation Condé is located in the centre of the town of Chantilly, neither on the estate, nor within the château.
2) I heard that his son, the present count of Paris lives 102 bis rue de Miromesnil, but I'm not sure. He has founded an "Institut de la Maison Royale de France" the adress of which is :74 rue des Cénennes 75015 PARIS

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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2008, 11:21:17 AM »
many thanks for the information. Did he live on the estate at Chantilly or within the chateau? Do you know where the present Count lives?

1)The former count of Paris lived in an old people' home named "Fondation Condé", managed  by his "friend", Mrs Monique Friesz, retired now. La Fondation Condé is located in the centre of the town of Chantilly, neither on the estate, nor within the château.
2) I heard that his son, the present count of Paris lives 102 bis rue de Miromesnil, but I'm not sure. He has founded an "Institut de la Maison Royale de France" the adress of which is :74 rue des Cénennes 75015 PARIS


Error: the adress is :74 rue des Cévennes 7515 PARIS

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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2008, 12:56:00 PM »
Thank you Remi, perhaps you might have some knowledge of Monique Friesz you could share with us? How did they meet and how did she earn her living? Was this a great romance or an old man in the hands of a" gold digger" . The vast wealth that the Count suddenly " threw away" ...did he want to destroy the dynasty?

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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2008, 04:31:14 PM »
Thank you Remi, perhaps you might have some knowledge of Monique Friesz you could share with us? How did they meet and how did she earn her living? Was this a great romance or an old man in the hands of a" gold digger" . The vast wealth that the Count suddenly " threw away" ...did he want to destroy the dynasty?
She was a kind of 'governess' to the late Count of Paris.

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2008, 01:17:42 AM »
Thank you Remi, perhaps you might have some knowledge of Monique Friesz you could share with us? How did they meet and how did she earn her living? Was this a great romance or an old man in the hands of a" gold digger" . The vast wealth that the Count suddenly " threw away" ...did he want to destroy the dynasty?
She was a kind of 'governess' to the late Count of Paris.

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I understand the idea of being diplomatic, but what the heck does "governess" mean?  That just sounds a bit kinky to me! LOL

Everyone is entitled to their own private life, and has no control as to what you are born into.  But if you claim a title and aspirations to a throne, IMO you make you life open to all kinds of public scrutiny.

In that spirit, what is meant by by the Count "throwing away" vast wealth?  And how exactly had the family managed to maintain or acquire such wealth?

Just from a historic perspective I'm interested in how these families fared, who used to have vast fortunes (they were "the state") and lost it.

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2008, 01:58:19 AM »
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Banned from France, the young couple began their married life at the Château d'Agimont, in Belgium, near the French border, where the Count owned and edited two newspapers circulated in France, Courier Royal and Ici France.

At first the Countess found it hard to adapt to the royal life of her in-laws after her relatively normal family childhood. One difference was the wearing of a fabulous sapphire and diamond tiara that had belonged to Marie Antoinette.

She gave birth to five sons and six daughters between 1932 and 1948. Of these, François was killed in the Algerian War in 1960, and Thibaut was killed hunting in Africa in 1983. Nine of them married into royal or noble houses.

The Count of Paris served in the Foreign Legion for a year at the beginning of the Second World War, and later took his family to live, at different times, in Brazil, Morocco, Pamplona, in Spain, and Cintra, Portugal.

In 1950 the French Government revoked the Law of Exile, after which the family lived at the Manor of Coeur-Volant at Louveciennes, just outside Paris - where Princess Alexandra stayed with the Countess for a time after leaving Heathfield. The Count now took a more active role in French politics, issuing a monthly bulletin and setting up two foundations.

In recent years, the Countess was to be seen attending many social engagements in Paris. She wrote her memoirs in two volumes, Tout m'est Bonheur (1978), followed by Les Chemins Creux. She later added a third volume. She also produced several historical works based on her family, including biographies of Blanche de Castille, and Marie-Amélie.

In 1993 she published Moi, Marie Antoinette, writing in the first person since she descended from Marie Antoinette's sister, Marie Caroline, Queen of Naples (mother of Marie-Amélie, wife of King Louis Philippe). "We are of the same blood," the Countess explained, "and a million little details make me feel close to her." Last year, she published a photographic study of her life.

The Count of Paris died in 1999. The Countess celebrated her 90th birthday with a mass at Eu in 2001. She died on Saturday, and is survived by nine of her 11 children and more than 100 descendants.
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This is from a Newspaper Account of the Death of the Countess of Paris. I notice that when they went back into France the article states that he started two Foundations. Was this a paid position for him as head of these or a charity of a sort?  I wonder if anyone knows anything more about this?

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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2008, 06:01:52 AM »
Hi Terence, the wealth of the Orleans family was acquired through inheritance and good marriages which is reflected in the ducal titles that the issue of king Louis Philippe  and modern members of the royal family bear today .

During his 'tenure' as pretender to the throne Henri dissipated the majority of his family's great wealth, selling off family jewels, paintings, furniture and properties to support his political cause and large family, as well as establishments in Belgium, North Africa, Brazil, Portugal and France. The family château at Amboise now belongs to a trust he created. Conflict over the diversion of the family wealth (formerly worth over £40 million) led to court conflicts between him and five of his children, some of whom he unilaterally disinherited.

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i remember when the Count tried to sell the jewels of Queen Marie Amelie in Monaco. This is when his children publicly denounced him and forced the sale to be cancelled. His son then took legal action to prevent more selling of family assets. On the Counts death it was found the Orleans wealth had been severely depleted and much of it sold at bargain or below actual prices.... was this a fabulous nest egg for his mistress? was this revenge against the family he thought had turned against him?

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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2008, 09:11:40 AM »
The Count of paris died at Chérisy, nr Dreux,19 Jun 1999....anyone know what this building was? A chateau or hospital

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« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2008, 10:41:09 AM »
The Count of paris died at Chérisy, nr Dreux,19 Jun 1999....anyone know what this building was? A chateau or hospital

When Mrs Monique Friesz, manager of the Fondation Condé of Chantilly retired, she removed in a little et very ordinary house  she has bought  in Chérisy. The count of Paris who needed this woman because he was very ill, followed her...

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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2008, 10:53:39 AM »
When Mrs Monique Friesz, manager of the Fondation Condé in Chantilly retired, she removed in a little and very ordinary house she had bought in Chérisy for his old days. The Count of Paris who needed her, cause he was very ill, followed his "governess"...

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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2008, 01:52:17 PM »
Many thanks Remi....so was Madame Friesz just his helper or were they romantically involved?

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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2008, 10:06:07 AM »
Hello, Norbert

Mrs Monique FRIESZ was much more than a helper for the count of Paris. In his book, "Contre-enquête sur le comte et la comtesse de Paris", Vincent MEYLAN reported  how, according Mrs Friesz herself, their relationship turned more intimate in 1976.
In 1987, I personnaly recorded that Henri d'Orléans and Monique FRIESZ formed a couple...

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Re: Henri VI second Comte de Paris and his 11 children
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2008, 04:03:32 AM »
Many thanks Remi..for your excellent knowledge. What a strange episode in the history of the Capet dynasty. Was she a great benefactor in his will I wonder...?

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Re: Henri VI second Comte de Paris and his 11 children
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2008, 02:33:58 AM »
When Mrs Monique Friesz, manager of the Fondation Condé in Chantilly retired, she removed in a little and very ordinary house she had bought in Chérisy for his old days. The Count of Paris who needed her, cause he was very ill, followed his "governess"...

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He was ill allright.In the head.

He did sell that wonderfull saphire parure to the Louvre,against the will of Madame la Comtesse,
after he moved in with that woman,but she had no say in no way with that degenerate any longer.
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