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Re: King Edward VII
« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2011, 10:24:47 AM »
anyone got a link to part 1 ?

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« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2011, 01:16:41 PM »
Forum windsors + "edward VII" on search+ press enter + search among the results =

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=7195.0

-i dont understand why this topic was created since the part I has only six pages.

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Re: King Edward VII
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2011, 01:23:29 PM »
Thanks  for the link

I  agree,  I  dont  get  this  part  1   part  2    part  3   bit,  it only adds to confusion
and  endless searching
These forums are built to take any number of threads and pages,  
One  thread I  saw  on a forum  the other day had  1400  plus  pages ....  no  probs  !
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« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2011, 01:26:19 PM »


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« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2012, 02:49:17 PM »
Is there any information or timeline about Bertie's 1871 typhoid attack? I know that it was 14th December when the the threat was greatest and that QV came down from Balmoral earlier in the month, but are there exact dates? I have read this thread and not found any thing, but I may have overlooked something, so feel free to tell me.
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« Reply #95 on: February 05, 2012, 04:53:51 AM »
Bertie had been staying with Lord Londesborough at the end of October 1871, and following this visit he and his fellow guest the Earl of Chesterfield (and a groom from Sandringham, Charles Blegge) came down with typhoid fever, from which Lord Chesterfield and Blegge died, suggesting the source of infection was somewhere on the Londesborough estate.  Bertie and Alix had gone to Sandringham in early November for Bertie's birthday on the 9th of that month, but a few days after his birthday celebrations he complained of feeling unwell.  The local doctor diagnosed typhoid, although this wasn't formally announced until 23 November.  Princess Alice was staying with her children at Sandringham and stayed to nurse him - her children and their Wales cousins were sent to Windsor to be clear of infection.  Queen Victoria came to Sandringham on the 29th November when Bertie's condition worsened "He was lying flat on his back, breathing very rapidly and loudly."  As there was some improvement, she went back to Windsor two days later, but returned to Sandringham on the 8th December, summoned by the doctors because of yet another deterioration in Bertie's illness.  He was seriously in danger on 13th December, and Dr Gull suggested a bulletin intimating the worst should be issued (Prince Alfred insisted however they should wait a little longer), but after the application of two bottles of old champagne brandy externally, Bertie slept quietly after 4am on the 14th, woke at 8am and drank a couple of glasses of ale, and slept again.  The Queen returned to Windsor for Christmas, but Bertie's condition was not stable and he had several setbacks, necessitating the Queen's return to Sandringham on December 27th ("spasms with great difficulty of breathing..."), where she stayed until January 2nd, but on February 14th the Queen received "Dear Bertie" at Osborne, who looked "very delicate, very pale and thin and drawn - walks slowly, still a little lame, but is very cheerful and quite himself - only gentler and kinder than ever......"

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« Reply #96 on: February 05, 2012, 06:04:11 AM »
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« Reply #100 on: January 15, 2013, 06:05:26 PM »
In another review mentioned in this article of the Richard Hough book, it states that a Lady Susan Vane-Tempest was the "only one of his mistresses known to have given birth to his (Bertie's) child".  Does anyone know anything about this, because it's news to me!!

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« Reply #101 on: January 15, 2013, 06:34:07 PM »
Jane Ridley finds evidence that many of the people who claimed to be Edward VII could not have been - Lady Susan's case is the only one with documentary evidence regarding the paternity of her child. See Ridley, Bertie: A Life of Edward VII, p. 144-148.

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Re: King Edward VII
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2013, 10:33:52 AM »
In another review mentioned in this article of the Richard Hough book, it states that a Lady Susan Vane-Tempest was the "only one of his mistresses known to have given birth to his (Bertie's) child".  Does anyone know anything about this, because it's news to me!!

Lady Susan, who died in 1875, was the granddaughter of the 10th Duke of Hamilton and the daughter of the 5th Duke of Newcastle. Her uncle William,11th Duke of Hamilton , married Princess Marie Amelie of Baden. Their daughter Mary married, and divorced, Albert I of Monaco (after apparently being engaged to one of the Sigmaringen princes) while their son William was once considered a husband for Princess Alice.  Lady Susan served as one of Bertie's sister Vicky's bridesmaids. She became his mistress after she was widowed, in 1864, and supposedly gave birth to their child at Ramsgate in 1871. Lady Susan's parents had scandalously divorced in 1850 after her mother ran off with, and later bore a child out of wedlock by, Lord Horatio Walpole. Lady Susan's husband was mentally unstable, even attacking his wife and child, and died in a struggle with 4 keepers after just a few years of marriage and one son. John van der Kiste in his book Edward VII's Children cites one of Susan's confidantes writing to the Prince advising him that the "crisis was due within two or three months". However, nothing is known of any child and Susan took the secret to the grave with her less than 4 years later.

The family had yet more scandal--her brother Arthur who died, possibly by suicide, in 1870 after being charged in the Boulton and Park case. Lord Arthur died the day after receiving his subpoena for the trial, ostensibly of scarlet fever but more probably a suicide.

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« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2013, 03:36:49 PM »
Anthony Camp, in 'Royal Mistresses and Bastards: fact and fiction 1714-1936' (on which much of Jane Ridley’s material in her biography is based), provides an extensive examination of all Edward VII's alleged sexual relationships/encounters by year, and there is a handy breakdown of these on his website: http://anthonyjcamp.com/page9.htm with a list of children beneath each entry who were alleged to be Edward’s.  Where there is evidence that the child could not, or was very unlikely to have been his (for example, if he was simply not physically present at the correct time) the child is noted as 'fiction'.  Lady Susan Vane-Tempest is not listed with a child as there is no public record of the birth and fate of her child. 

I was up and down with Edward in Jane Ridley’s biography.  He had a horrid childhood – Albert and Victoria were odious parents to him – but various episodes such as the Lady Susan affair showed him in a very unpleasant light and I don’t think he was a particularly sympathetic parent to his own eldest son (though far from being as toxic as his own father). 

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« Reply #104 on: March 18, 2013, 05:21:56 AM »
I read all seven pages of this topic, but couldn't find the previous one, so maybe what I want to know is somewhere in there, but I wonder if we know now why the Queen  was so against for the Prince to undertake any official duties. Was there a reason we know about, was it just she didn't trust him, was it because she didn't like the idea he might succeed?
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