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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2004, 06:17:06 PM »
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Marie in "motherly" mode with baby Lennart:



Does anybody else here think that Maria Pavlovna in this picture looks remarkably like Drew Barrymore?  :o Wow!!!! :o

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2004, 06:45:12 PM »
Wow,.i never notice that she does :o

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2004, 05:47:33 AM »
I found this newspaper clipping in the copy of "Education of a Princess" that I bought in a second-hand store. There's no date visible.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2004, 06:45:38 AM »
Lennart and Carin were married in 1932.

Thanks for the picture!
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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2004, 09:15:16 AM »
And divorced in 1972, didn't they?
He married again and had  five children with his second wife Sonia Hauntz (or something like that). His youngest granddaughter was born on February this year.

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2004, 04:01:03 PM »
Lennart's youngest daughter (and child) by his 2nd wife [ whos younger then Lennart's children from his first marriage, eww!]

Anyway, Lennart's youngest daughter  is Countess Diana ( who is now 22 years old) had a daughter in Feb. her name is Paulina Maria Grave. { yes, really " Grave " is the baby's last name.]

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2004, 06:31:39 PM »
I  have a question about Maria and her brother Dimitri.
When they died were they cremated?  Also do you think
Lennart will be buried on Mainau?

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2004, 01:40:21 AM »
Mother and son in Buenos-Aires.Lennart visited Maria Pavlovna in Argentina


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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2004, 08:52:59 AM »
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I  have a question about Maria and her brother Dimitri.
When they died were they cremated?  Also do you think
Lennart will be buried on Mainau?


I gather that Pr. Lennart is still alive? Also, are there any pics of him as a older man?  :)
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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2004, 03:49:37 PM »
I know many people are busy for the next few of days or weeks, but can anyone help me found bigger pictures of MP and her son. Thank you.




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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2004, 02:36:57 PM »
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I finally found the picture. Here's MP and DP's gravesites on Mainau. Apparently her personal effects (photos, china, etc...) are also kept at Mainau.


From the look of their gravesite I assume (dangerous word) that Dimitri and Maria were cremated.  Is that a
correct assumption ???

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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2004, 07:37:01 PM »
Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna and her brother Dmitri were buried in the same crypt in Schloss Mainau. What you are seeing in the photograph are name plaques only.

The Orthodox faith does not permit cremation.


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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2004, 07:59:36 PM »
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Mother and son in Buenos-Aires.Lennart visited Maria Pavlovna in Argentina



According to Flight of the Romanovs by Perry and Pleshakov @ p 339-40:

... Marie Pavlovna saw her son in Buenos Aires in 1947, when Prince Lennart travelled there on business. According to the authors it was the first time they had an adult conversation, where she apparently confessed her personal loneliness and not having a real 'home'.

In later years she found difficulty relating to her grandchildren. Her only true affections were always for her brother Dmitri.

She died a sad and lonely woman, never able to relate to anyone else, despite her considerable artistic talents.
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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2004, 05:39:13 AM »
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She died a very sad and lonely woman,never able to relate to anyone else, despite her considerable artistic talents


That really (and sadly) sums up a complex woman who had a tough life.  I have to agree with Belochka in her assertion that the only person that truly meant something to her was Dmitri.
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Re: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2004, 05:33:57 PM »
That is a very charming photo.  Good job it is labelled 'Prince Lennart' - rather hard to tell whether it is a little boy or girl otherwise....
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