Author Topic: Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna-younger, her life and relations (Read 337211 times)

Svetabel · « **Reply #150 on:** June 30, 2007, 12:20:46 AM »

Quote from: Svetabel on February 23, 2007, 06:24:35 AM

Quote from: hikaru on February 22, 2007, 01:40:25 PM
By the way , who knows the exact date of her engagement with Sweden Prince?
I have read 20th June/3 th May (or 5th May).
But at her memoirs she wrote it as the beginning of the June.

I also have read in one russian article, that her nickname at the emigree circles was "Zolushka Romanova", which means "Cinderella Romanov".

The wedding took place in 20 April/3 May 1908. The engagement was near a year ago...so it could be May-June 1907.

I've just found in an old newspaper of 1907 year that the engagement took place in June 2. Probably that was an official announcement.

TampaBay · « **Reply #151 on:** June 30, 2007, 07:43:01 AM »

Quote from: brnbg aka: liljones1968 on May 15, 2007, 01:10:33 PM

Where did this jewelry come from Russia or Sweeden?

Maria Pavlovna Jr. is quite attratvive almost beautiful in this picture. Is this Swedish court attire?

I can never get over how much she resembles Drew Barrymore.

TampaBay

grandduchessella · « **Reply #152 on:** June 30, 2007, 01:59:14 PM »

It's Swedish Court dress. The top necklace (of diamond loops) seems to be one that Ella gave her. The rest, I don't know.

Maria_Pavlovna · « **Reply #153 on:** July 01, 2007, 01:49:04 PM »

I feel sorry for Marie, if she wasn't so stubborn and bratty and at least try to get along better with Wilhelm of Sweden (theres so many ways too

) i wound think she was a better person, but shes a sadist in many ways.

Svetabel · « **Reply #154 on:** July 01, 2007, 02:28:17 PM »

Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 01, 2007, 01:49:04 PM

but shes a sadist in many ways.

For example?.. "Sadist" sounds too much IMO in the case of Maria Pavlovna. It's just me but sadistic was Hitler and not a Grand Duchess who just was not able to search her heart and puzzle out her own emotions.

Maria_Pavlovna · « **Reply #155 on:** July 02, 2007, 07:53:38 AM »

Well, not as evil or mist up like Hitler. I'll take that back, since I can't delete it.

What I mean of the Grand Duchess, is that she a poor little rich girl, wants more then she has, she should be blessed (expt that fact that of a unhappy marriage and that issue with her adopted patents- Uncle Sergei and Aunt Ella, and that of dad and late mother; big deal! others have it worse!) that there were people to care for her and she was very rich. That explains that money isn't everything. From reading her memoirs she was just so unhappy, no good thoughts, only like end of the world, negative, I just can’t handle people like that.

A kid I know had it a lot worse then Marie Pavlovna in his past, and his no prince. I am sure others have it a lot worse, then the both of them (my friend and the Grand Duchess), but a grand duchess feeling sorry for herself, she should be blessed that she made it out of Russia during the Revaluation in one piece!

Svetabel · « **Reply #156 on:** July 02, 2007, 09:02:57 AM »

Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 02, 2007, 07:53:38 AM

From reading her memoirs she was just so unhappy, no good thoughts, only like end of the world, negative, I just can’t handle people like that.

can’t handle people like that. - yes, many of us can't handle people like that and that's why it's unfair to label them at once . I mean that very often and almost constantly we judge the people of the past from our own modern point of views , we try to explain their behaviour as if they are our contemporaries. It's natural as we live here and now and not then and there. That's why it's very difficult for us to understand them in many ways of their life, understand their characters and thoughts, whims and habits. Sometimes we
reason about as if we know BETTER and MORE about them than themselves - but we never lived there, we never knew them...Well, the main tune of my tirade - let's try to understand (and not from modern point of view) before labelling some historical person.

And of course many people have it a lot worse but why blaming Grand Duchess for feeling sorry for herself? The more so she doesn't cry away on every page of her memoirs, I don't see only negative in her lines.

grandduchessella · « **Reply #157 on:** July 02, 2007, 09:25:54 AM »

Quote from: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on July 02, 2007, 07:53:38 AM

Well, not as evil or mist up like Hitler. I'll take that back, since I can't delete it.

What I mean of the Grand Duchess, is that she a poor little rich girl, wants more then she has, she should be blessed (expt that fact that of a unhappy marriage and that issue with her adopted patents- Uncle Sergei and Aunt Ella, and that of dad and late mother; big deal! others have it worse!) that there were people to care for her and she was very rich. That explains that money isn't everything. From reading her memoirs she was just so unhappy, no good thoughts, only like end of the world, negative, I just can’t handle people like that.

A kid I know had it a lot worse then Marie Pavlovna in his past, and his no prince. I am sure others have it a lot worse, then the both of them (my friend and the Grand Duchess), but a grand duchess feeling sorry for herself, she should be blessed that she made it out of Russia during the Revaluation in one piece!

Do you mean perhaps masochistic (Self-destructive, punishing, and self-defeating) rather than sadistic (using cruel, demaning and/or violent behaviors)? I still wouldn't completely concur, for much of the reasons Svetabel gave, but it would seem more in line with the behaviors MP could exhibit. Except for her son, Lennart, most of Marie's behaviors hurt only herself and even towards Lennart she wasn't overtly cruel, just rather lacked the maternal instinct.