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« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2005, 05:00:05 PM »
Maybe it could be  The Passion of an Imperial Princess, ect.
But its your book :)
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« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2005, 04:23:56 PM »
The new issue of Royalty magazine came out recently, with an interesting article about Maria's son Lennart. He passed away on December 21, 2004, aged 95. They reprinted an interview with him, from 1992. I found some interesting facts about Maria's feelings towards motherhood and children in general.

When asked if he saw much of his mother, Lennart replied,
"No, not very much. We met several times in the 1920's and she came to Mainau a couple of times in the 1930's and 1940's. She died here in Constance. It was a great problem with my mother, she hated little children. She only began to estimate a child when they were, say, fourteen or fifteen. When she used to visit, our children would hide away."

When asked if she had a strong personality,
"Yes, very strong. We were not such good friends and I was the only child. She abandoned the family so to speak, in 1913, and my parents were divorced in 1914."

"The Swedish court was very severe and my grandmother Queen Victoria (of Sweden) a very Prussian woman, although my grandfather was much more easy going. And Maria--she did not like to be called mother--felt freer when she came to Sweden than in Russia. Rather too free, and it was not approved of."


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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2005, 01:48:54 PM »
I have always found Marie's attitude towards children interesting. From reading her memoirs, she seemed like such a friendly woman and could be a good friend, and yet with children she could be so cold. In her own book, she writes: "I have never known how to treat children; I remember all too clearly my own childhood; and all those things which in the conduct of grown persons used to surprise and hurt me seem now curiously transferred to my own relations with children." She did at least acknowledge the fact that she had a strained relationship with children.

I think she must have been quite traumatized during her childhood, for she did not receive very much affection at all, except from her father and brother (not surprisingly, she herself admitted that these were the only two people in her life that she ever truly loved). And then her father was taken away when she was small and she lived with Ella and Serge, who were hardly affectionate. We all know about Marie's cold relationship with Ella, and whenever she tried to reach out and be affectionate, she was shot down. And although Serge was said to deeply love the kids, he probably didn't express his emotions very much and he demanded from them always the utmost respect and perfect manners. So I couldn't imagine them playing around with him and having fun. It was always a rather cold and distant relationship with these parental figures, and thus it was with her own relations with children when she was an adult.

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« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2005, 07:02:09 PM »
Can someone post about the strained relationship between Maria Pavlovna and Yelizaveta Fyodorovna?

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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2005, 09:14:55 PM »
It's gone into in a few threads here--does anyone remember which ones?
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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2005, 10:40:13 PM »
It seems that parenting woes continued on through Lennart. A Swedish magazine reported on a family rift, apparently 2 of Lennart's eldest children (by his 1st marriage) Jan and Cecila (both in their 60s) weren't invited to his funeral. In addition they were excluded from the death notice (their elder sister WAS mentioned as well as Lenart's 5 children by his 2nd marriage).

Apparently there'd been bad blood for a long time due to the fact that Lennart has left his 1st wife for his 2nd (a MUCH younger woman) and the fact that Jan was quite the profligate and ran through money inherited from his grandfather Wilhelm of Sweden and generally caused embarrassment to the family through his own actions and those he associated with (including a young man he adopted in the 1960s who calls himself a Prince of Sweden ala Marie of Anhalt and 'Prince' Frederick aka Mr Zsa-Zsa Gabor). Jan may be planning on writing a book about his life/family.
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« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2005, 10:06:26 AM »
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It seems that parenting woes continued on through Lennart. A Swedish magazine reported on a family rift, apparently 2 of Lennart's eldest children (by his 1st marriage) Jan and Cecila (both in their 60s) weren't invited to his funeral. In addition they were excluded from the death notice (their elder sister WAS mentioned as well as Lenart's 5 children by his 2nd marriage).

Apparently there'd been bad blood for a long time due to the fact that Lennart has left his 1st wife for his 2nd (a MUCH younger woman) and the fact that Jan was quite the profligate and ran through money inherited from his grandfather Wilhelm of Sweden and generally caused embarrassment to the family through his own actions and those he associated with (including a young man he adopted in the 1960s who calls himself a Prince of Sweden ala Marie of Anhalt and 'Prince' Frederick aka Mr Zsa-Zsa Gabor). Jan may be planning on writing a book about his life/family.
 


Jan is on his 6th or 7th wife,  Christiane Grandmontagne, who in the 60s, had a child out of wedlock with Prince Christian Sigismund of Prussia.  Jan and Cia, I think, cannot go to Germany for legal reasons (warrants for their arrests for legal problems)
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« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2005, 10:09:15 AM »
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Jan is on his 6th or 7th wife,  Christiane Grandmontagne, who in the 60s, had a child out of wedlock with Prince Christian Sigismund of Prussia.  Jan and Cia, I think, cannot go to Germany for legal reasons (warrants for their arrests for legal problems)


Yikes.  :-/  Is Prince CS descended from Henry & Irene?
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« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2005, 10:38:17 AM »
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Yikes.  :-/  Is Prince CS descended from Henry & Irene?


No.  Christian Sigismund is the 4th son of the late Prince Louis Ferdinand and Grand Duchess Kira of Russia.
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« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2005, 10:31:02 PM »
saw a great picture that Mia posted on another forum and I thought I'd share it here as I hadn't seen it before


Does anyone know if any of these jewels are Ella's? She gave a good amount, including her emeralds, to Marie. If not, does anyone know the provenance or where they are now?
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« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2005, 03:37:57 AM »
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Does anyone know if any of these jewels are Ella's? She gave a good amount, including her emeralds, to Marie. If not, does anyone know the provenance or where they are now?


I guess Maria dresses in Swedish court dress in the picture. May be those jewels are of a Swedish origin? Possibly they belonged to her mother GD Alexandra
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« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2005, 04:15:16 AM »
I can't remember if I already posted it, but here is Maria with Ella's jewels in 1914:
                               
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« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2005, 11:15:44 AM »
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I guess Maria dresses in Swedish court dress in the picture. May be those jewels are of a Swedish origin? Possibly they belonged to her mother GD Alexandra
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The picture peaked my interest so I'd love to find out. I wonder if Maria faced the problem her aunt Marie Coburg faced when she married Alfred? Marie's jewels were quiet the object of envy in Britain back then and I wonder about MP's in Sweden. Sweden has a great deal of fabulous jewelry but with Queen Victoria & Crown Princess Margaret ahead of her I imagine she didn't get that large a share of the Swedish ones.
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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2005, 03:02:17 PM »
I love that title. I have colorized some photgraphs of her if you are interested.
When will your other books be published?

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« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2005, 08:38:51 PM »
Which title?

That would be very sweet of you. sure if you like. I haven't be writing on either books, becuase of  "School"work . maybe by next year a book would be published. the one of Elisabeth i have giving up on, i don';t know much about her. the one on OTMAA i know by heart, but  still waiting what what to start with.