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Do you have any links, who could help? I would be thankful. Usually I do researchs by myself, but at the moment I have problems to stay a longer time in the net, because of problems with my new internet provider. Thanks for any link, where the family is to see!
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1) Any idea why some of the grandchildren of Crown Prince Otto (especially those of Archduke Paul Georg) seem more Hungarian than Austrian?

2) Is there any particular reason so many of the more recent Habsburgs have "Marcus d'Aviano" at the end of their strong of names? I realize Mark of Aviano was declared a saint by Pope John Paul II, and died in Vienna, but many of Blessed Karl I's children and later descendants seem to have this name.
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As far as I know:

Archduke Georg and Eilika live in Budapest. He is an ambassador to that country for different missions. He loves Budapest and plans to live there all his life there. He decided to name his children with Hungarian names, as to show his love to the country, certitude and permanence. He is one of the very few archdukes (Prince or Hungary to be correct)  that fluently speak the language.

With respect to Marcus D'aviano there are different reasons, some historical, some political and all to do with faith.

Marcus D'aviano was a Capusin monk (1631 - 1699) lived in time of Kaiser Leopold and dedicated his life in protecting the members of the Habsburg Family. He promised to the Kaiser that when God would call him he would continue protecting all descendants of the family from heaven. He was politically a Pan- European. Fought with the Kaiser for a united Europe partially under the banner of the Catholic Church. He was present and had a decisive contribution to the battle of Vienna against the Turks in 1683. Later he got the assignment from the Kaiser to take care of the burial site of the family, the Kaisergruft. The burial place of most Habsburg Emperors and many archdukes is still guarded today by the Capusin Monks. At the Kaputzinergruft there are 138 Hapsburgs buried from 1611 until 1989 when Kaiserin Zita, the last Empress was brought to rest.

Many descendants of the family have the Marcus D'aviano name with the belief that he is having a watchful eye on thei descendants, as he promised centuries ago, but also as to asertain his Christian & Pan-European beliefs. Many more Archdukes do have the name Marcus D'aviano in their name than it is commonly known. This and other names are written in the baptism certificate where space for names is not an issue and where the names are written by hand. In the civil records of most courtiers there is a limited amount of space and certainly not enough for 8 to 12 different names including the Habsburg-Lothringen last name. So you will find that names in Genealogy books do not necessarily coincide between the civil and baptism certificate. This comment is valid for most Catholic Royal families in Europe.

If anybody has the opportunity to visit Vienna the Kaisergruft is an absolute must!  And now a “Hot tip” After visiting the burial site, refer to the monk at the entrance and ask him that you would like to pay respect to Marcus D’aviano and would like to see his private chapel. He is buried there in a very small chapel away from the Habsburgs but in the same building, very cozy, and … no tourists!. If it is not rush hour he will do it gladly. 

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Thank you a lot for those many interesting, detailled and enlightening informations! I did not know much about Marcus d' Aviano of the time of Leopold I. before, and his great influence on the Habsburg family before. It was very new to me.
I also did not know that so many Archdukes do carry that name of the monk.
Concerning the Kapuzinergruft, I also did not know about that connection, but I have visited it last year in summer, and it was very interesting, but strange to stand next to so many buried people. It's a pity that I did not know about the tomb of Marcus d' Aviano, so I did not see it. Especially the fact to there are not too many tourists, is good as well. Next time I go to Vienna again, I will try to make a visit to it. Wonderful info! ;)
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Archduke Carl Ludwig of Austria, fifth child of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita of Austria, died at Brussels (Belgium) on December 11. He was born on 10 March 1918. In 1950 he married Princess Yolande de Ligne. He is survived by his wife, four children and 20 grandchildren. The funeral will take place at the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna, Austria, on 12 January 2008.

http://www.kurier.at/nachrichten/114023.php

http://wien.orf.at/stories/242892/

« Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 06:30:56 PM by Rani »

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Thank you very much for posting this!

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Yes, I knew about it, and also that he had been very ill before.
I think it is better like this that he has not to suffer anymore. Even when he died now, he had a very long life and so many children and grandchildren.
I'll pray for him and his relatives.
Thank you for keeping him in memory by posting it.
It looks like the celebrations will mostly be in Vienna, because he will be buried there (which is good, I think, as it keeps a long tradition!), but I suppose also in Brussels as he had a lot family connection there from the part of his wife and daughter-in-law etc. If anybody gets further information about the funeral celebrations, please be so kind to put it here.
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PS This picture is very nice. He has a lot Otto von Habsburg's eyes there. If I find some more, I'll post them to keep him in memory!
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I note that both obituaries referred to him as "Carl Ludwig Habsburg-Lothringen" using no title or eve the "von." Austria is still that strict on such things?

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It seems so. I know a young lady around my age (only via letters), who descends from the Habsburg -Teschen line, and when I titled her with "von Habsburg", she told me that the "von" does not exist anymore....However in many other cases I'm quite sure that many others still use the title, but I can also be wrong, but it seems the very offcial would be to leave the title out.
Concering the obituaries of Archduke Carl Ludwig it seems to be mixed, I also found some (or at least one), where the title "von" is definitely used. I'm not sure, if this is correct, but looking at all articles it seems that Austria stronger with this, whereas article from Germany for example use the "von". On the net I found an article of the German magazine "Bunte", where it is used.
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Carl Ludwig Maria Franz Joseph Michael Gabriel Antonius Robert Stephan Pius Gregor Ignatius Marcus d'Aviano

Baden near Vienna, 10 March 1918 - Brussels 11 December 2007
married Beloeil 17 January 1950 Yolande Princess de Ligne (born Madrid, 6 May 1923)


Carl Ludwig's descendants:

Rudolf (born 17 November 1950)
married 1976 Marie Hélène Baronne de Villenfagne de Vogelsanck (born 24 April 1954)

- Carl Christian (born 1977)
- Priscilla Marie (born 1979)
- Johannes (born 1981)
- Thomas (born 1983)
- Marie-des-Neiges (born 1986)
- Franz-Ludwig (born 1988)
- Michael (born 1990)
- Joseph (born 1991)
 

Alexandra (born 10 July 1952)
married 1984 Hector Riesle (born 16 February 1943)
 
- Felipe (born 1986)
- Maria Sofia (born 1987)
- Constanza Maria (born 1989)
 

Carl Christian (born 26 August 1954)
married 1982 Marie Astrid Princess of Luxemburg (born 17 February 1954)
 
- Marie Christine (born 1983)
- Imre (born 1985)
- Christoph (born 1988)
- Alexander (born 1990)
- Gabriella (born 1994)
 

Maria Constanza (born 19 October 1957)
married 1994 Franz Josef Fürst von Auersperg-Trautson (born 11 December 1954)

- Anna Maria (born 1997)
- Alexandra Maria (1998 - 1998)
- Ladislaya Maria (born 1999)
- Eleonora Maria (born 2002)
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only officially ...on legal documents ... not socially.   Habsburg-Lothringen is the surname.   in Germany, von is still used ... and the title is a surname 

I note that both obituaries referred to him as "Carl Ludwig Habsburg-Lothringen" using no title or eve the "von." Austria is still that strict on such things?
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Thank you, Marlene, for clarifying. It is like I supposed it, as I saw the "von" different times in the German articles, but not in the ones of Austria.
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Austria is a Peculiar country. On a particular documental made by the ORF (Austrian Radio and TV) you will always see the Ring Strasse, the opera house, museums and the glory of austrian architecture. The documental will never mention that those wonderful architectural buildings were built either during the Habsburg Monarchy or commanded by a particular Habsburg.

When the Empire crumbled after WW I, all nobility titles were abolished and the "von" on the family name was prohibited by the socialist government of Karl Renner. This prohibition is still in place today.

Austria is probably one of the countries in Europe that really loves Titles, consequently after 1918 the subsequent socialist governments have invented many titles and almost every ordinary Austrian has some sort of a title. This is curious considering that Nobility titles are banned. The "von" although not a title does refer to someone that has a nobility title.

Foreign Nobles from other parts of the world can use their nobility titles in Austria. They can also use their "von" before their last name. Only nationals from the Austro Hungarian monarchy cannot.

Otto uses his “von” when in Europe, not in Austria.

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Dear members,

Perhaps anybody can help me along with the question why Archduke Carl Ludwig will be set to peace at the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna.
Somewhere I got the information that the Kapuzinergruft is already full and there is just place of Kaiser Karl's coffin, which is currently in Madeira, but could once be transferred to Vienna.
Why is Archduke Carl Ludwig as 4th son of going to occupy such a very honorable place? Especially considering the fact that the older brother Robert, who is the 2nd son of Karl I., was indeed not set to peace at the Kapuzinergruft in Vienna. It is also strange to me that Archduchess Anna Eugenie, wife of Karl's third son Archduke Felix, as well as Archduchess Xenia, wife of archduke Rudolf (fifth son of Karl I), are not buried there as well. Which reason might there be for this discontinuity?
Does anybody have an idea or concrete information where the other surviving sons of the late emperor Karl, like Otto and Felix, and their spouses children well be set to peace?

Any answer would be appreciated!
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Archduke Carl Ludwig was the only child of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita to have been born "in the purple," i.e. during his father's reign.

Archduke Felix was born six months or so before his father became Emperor, while Archduke Rudolf was born when the family was living at Prangins, Switzerland.

This is the argument being used for the funeral happening in Vienna and for the Archduke resting in the Kapuzinergruft.

I am living for Vienna in a few hours to attend the funeral.

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