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The Kaiser Hymne ( Gott erhalte Unsern Kaiser) was composed by Joseph Haydn (1732-1809) and the music is identical to that of the present National Anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany. The words of the anthem varied from Kaiser to Kaiser (i.e. they were changed slightly when a a new emperor ascended the throne). The first version was for Kaiser Franz I and the words were:

Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,
Unsern guten Kaiser Franz!
Lange lebe Franz, der Kaiser,
In des Glückes hellstem Glanz!

There were different versions for Kaiser Ferdinand, Kaiser Franz Joseph and Kaiser Karl. The final version was for Archduke Otto, which I have pasted in below.

Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze
Unsern Kaiser, unser Land!
Mächtig durch des Glaubens Stütze
Führt er uns mit weiser Hand!
Laßt uns seiner Väter Krone
Schirmen wider jeden Feind:
Innig bleibt mit Habsburgs Throne
Österreichs Geschick vereint.

    In Verbannung, fern den Landen
    Weilst Du, Hoffnung Österreichs.
    Otto, treu in festen Banden
    Steh’n zu Dir wir felsengleich.
    Dir, mein Kaiser, sei beschieden
    Alter Ruhm und neues Glück!
    Bring den Völkern endlich Frieden,
    Kehr zur Heimat bald zurück

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THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

I knew the Fed. Rep. of Germany uses the same music, but I did not think the congregation in Vienna was singing "Deutchland, Deutchland, ueber alles............"  ;)

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Yes, the words of the German National anthem (Das Deutschlandlied), are quite different. They were written by August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben in 1841 and have served as the German National Anthem since 11/08/1922. There are actually three verses, but it is the third verse that is the National anthem today (since 1952). In previous eras the first verse was more popular. It is a good example of "recycling" ...the old Austrian Imperial anthem being changed into the German anthem. The third verse is as follows:

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben
brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
 Blüh im Glanze dieses Glückes,
 blühe, deutsches Vaterland.
   


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The current republic has been in existence since 1955. It works well with minimal fuss.

You have obviously not been following the local elections in Graz. In my estimation the FPO "spitzen" candidate, one Susanne Winter, has caused a great deal of fuss, as others such as Haider and the late Dr. Kurt Waldheim have done in the past. I don't consider the political situation in Austria today to be very exemplary.

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 From the video it is hard for me to make out the words! The caption says that they sung "Tantun Ergo" to the Imperial tune. But that is a Benediction hymn, why would they sing that at a funeral Mass? Or did they sing the words of the Imperial hymn?
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From the video it is hard for me to make out the words! The caption says that they sung "Tantun Ergo" to the Imperial tune. But that is a Benediction hymn, why would they sing that at a funeral Mass? Or did they sing the words of the Imperial hymn?

The Imperial Hymne,you could see HI & RH Archduchess Regina rise as first at the start of the Hymne.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2008, 01:46:14 PM by Lucien »
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The Imperial Hymne,you could see HI & RH Archduchess Regina rise as first at the start of the Hymne.

No, thats wrong.

It´s the most holy text "Tantum ergo" which the music of the Kaiserhymne.
You can find the complete program here:
http://www.bunte.de/adel/carl-ludwig-von-habsburg_did_1410.html

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Thank you very much for the link, the content is very interesting!
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I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass. Was this just a way to be able to sing the Imperial Hymn else it would not be permitted? (Although I seem to recall that it was sung at Empress Zita's funeral.) Did Carl have a devotion to the Blessed Sacrament so that this hymn would be requested? I find it odd, although it probably isn't.

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I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass.

Me too...
The Kaiserhymne isn´t forbidden, everytime on 18th August (birthday of Emperor Franz Joseph) it is sung in Bad Ischl.

I think Archduke Carl Ludwig wanted this, but I don´t know for sure.

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The pictures are WONDERFUL. THANK YOU A LOT!!!!
I only saw wedding pictures of Yolande and Carl Ludwig very occasionally, but these are fascianting!! I wonder, how she comes along now without husband, it must be hard time, but she surely gets a lot of help from her relatives.  They must have been married a very long time. I was also always interested in Yolande, as she is a Bonaparte descendant (Murat- line).
Concerning the first picture...can anybody indentify the other people? I least I seem to recognize Otto and Felix of Habsburg, Robert (?), the wedding couple as well as Prince Antoine de Ligne. The others? Are there anywhere the two other siblings of Yolande or only the ones of Carl Ludwig?
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I find it strange that "Tantum Ergo" was sung at a Funeral Mass.

Me too...
The Kaiserhymne isn´t forbidden, everytime on 18th August (birthday of Emperor Franz Joseph) it is sung in Bad Ischl.

I think Archduke Carl Ludwig wanted this, but I don´t know for sure.

In the link you can read that the Tantum Ergo was sung AFTER the Hymne.It was a personal wish of the deceased.

On january 18th there was a memorial service for Archduke Carl Ludwig at the Abbaye de Cambre,Belgium.

Courtesy Mardam's incredible site:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/special/2008-01-18%20Karl%20Ludwig.htm

 
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@Lucien:

No, you haven´t translated the text correctly:

"Tantum Ergo (NACH der Volkshymne)" does NOT mean temporarily after it but that it has to be sung to the sound of the Volkshmyne!

If you listen carefully to the video you can here the words of the Tantum Ergo.

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Lucien, thank you for giving a link to the wonderful site of MARDAM. It always becomes better, and the pictures of the event in Brussels are fascinating. But they all have become a bit old the archdukes...Rudolf, son of Carl Ludwig was not to recognize for me at once, especially because of the beard. I did not see any actual pics of them before, so good link!


TWS, thanks for these corrections. I'm not so aware with these things.
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@Lucien:

No, you haven´t translated the text correctly:

"Tantum Ergo (NACH der Volkshymne)" does NOT mean temporarily after it but that it has to be sung to the sound of the Volkshmyne!

If you listen carefully to the video you can here the words of the Tantum Ergo.

Oh yes ofcourse you are right,how clumsy of me.Had another mistake too,said in a previous post that when the Hymne was set in,the Archduchess Regina was standing up first,it wasn't the Archduchess as she didn't attend due to her frail health,but it was the Archduchess Marghareta Habsburg - d' Este next to dear Archduke Otto.
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