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H.I.R.H. Archduke Ramon of Austria, Prince of Hungary, in his last year of life (October, 2007)




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According to the rules which Archduke Otto passed prior to 1993, Ramón's children should be Count and Countess of Habsburg.  I met him in Rome in 2004, he was extremely tall and incredibly thin, sickly almost, and now I see why.

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H.I.R.H. Archduke Ramon of Austria, Prince of Hungary, in his last year of life (October, 2007)





Thanks for the pictures, Britt! How sad.
His brother Archduke Carl Philipp is also very tall and was very slim when I saw him in Vienne at the funeral of their grandmother Empress Zita in 1989.

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Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 
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So far,  I have not seen a death notice in the Bad Soden newspaper (where the family lived) or in the Frankfurt Allgemeine (the main newspaper for the area)

In the early 1990s, Archduke Otto upgraded the morganatic members of the family (who had the surname Hasburg-Lothringen) to the rank of COunt or Countess (as well as for the spouses).  It is believed that this was done because Archduke Karl (Otto's son) was involved in a serious relationship with Camilla Habsburg Lothringen.  For the marriage to be equal,  she needed to be something above Miss . ... however, the marriage never took place.  Karl met Francesca von Thyssen and married her.  Camilla has never married.

Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 
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He will be buried in Bad Soden on Wednesday, 30th April at 9:30 as far as I know it.

I wonder, if strangers can go there? I live at Bad Homburg, Hessen, Germany and did not know that the family is that near.

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presumably the funeral will be at Sankt Katharina?   IN the US, one can attend a wedding or a funeral of a stranger, unless invitations are required ... you can slip into the back of the church

He will be buried in Bad Soden on Wednesday, 30th April at 9:30 as far as I know it.

I wonder, if strangers can go there? I live at Bad Homburg, Hessen, Germany and did not know that the family is that near.


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Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 
Think his wedding was small scale as e.g. Point de Vue had nothing on it, if my memory is right. This in contrast with his siblings Archduchess Kinga, Archduchess Viridis and Archduke Istvan.
There are some doubts about the noble ancestors of the wife of Archduke Istvan, Archduchess Paola, née de Temesvary, but Archduke Otto considered this wedding equal.

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was he ill? still quite young to die. The decree making all none equals ,counts was declared in 1990

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In the early 1990s, Archduke Otto upgraded the morganatic members of the family (who had the surname Hasburg-Lothringen) to the rank of COunt or Countess (as well as for the spouses).  It is believed that this was done because Archduke Karl (Otto's son) was involved in a serious relationship with Camilla Habsburg Lothringen.  For the marriage to be equal,  she needed to be something above Miss . ... however, the marriage never took place. 
Yes, maybe it is in the family.... But concerning the event in October 2004, which was mentioned here (I think the beatification of Karl I. must be meant) I'm not sure, if he was already ill there. From the pictures I know (please have a look on the thread about the descendants of Archduke Felix) I would say that he was still Ok there, but I'm not sure. He was also less thin there, I would say.

@Eurohistory, from what I know Ramon's title is indeed that of an Archduke, but I did not know that law made my Otto making Ramons family to counts. It was new to me. Why was this made and in which connection? 

Who is this Camilla von Habsburg ?
Which branch of the family ? I could not find any Camilla :-/

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was he ill? still quite young to die. The decree making all none equals ,counts was declared in 1990

He suffered from leucheamia for about 3 years

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Who is this Camilla von Habsburg ?
Which branch of the family ? I could not find any Camilla :-/

Maria Camilla (born 1962) is the only child of Maximilian Habsburg Lothringen and his wife Doris Williams. Maximilian is the son of Archduke Joseph Ferdinand of Tuscany (1872-1842), himself son of Ferdinand IV. Grand Duke of Tuscany.

Paul Theroff lists her as "Maria Camilla von Habsburg-Lothringen Pss of Florence".
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Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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Thanks Marie-Charlotte

Are there any pictures of her and/or her parents   ?

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Camilla of Habsburg-Lothringen, born in 1962 in Wimbledon,Surrey,GB, is not "princess of Firenze" but countess of Habsburg, according the new rules of the House of Austria (nov 30 th 1990).

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