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dianoshka

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« on: June 03, 2006, 03:36:35 AM »
Did Tatiana have any personal assets?

I'm aware Olga inherited a considerable fortune from Alexander III. What about Tatiana? Was she ever, or did she in fact, ever receive a personal fortune of her own?

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2006, 05:06:01 PM »
i never knew olga had fortune for AIII
thanks for that info
i wonder if any of the other GDs had assests.

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2006, 03:00:52 AM »
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Did Tatiana have any personal assets?

I'm aware Olga inherited a considerable fortune from Alexander III. What about Tatiana? Was she ever, or did she in fact, ever receive a personal fortune of her own?

I've never heard this either and I frankly find it to be rather suspicious. Alexander III died before any of the children were born and why would he leave only her a "considerable fortune"? She wasn't even heir to the throne! There is a rather lengthy and full explanation of the capital of the children, investments, and their assets in The Lost Fortune of the Tsars, by William Clarke, pgs. 264-267.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2006, 08:09:19 AM »
That's news to me as well.

Court of the Last Tsar, by Greg King, also discusses the children's personal fortunes, which they had access to from the age of 18.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2006, 09:34:38 AM »
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That's news to me as well.

Court of the Last Tsar, by Greg King, also discusses the children's personal fortunes, which they had access to from the age of 18.

hmm thanks!

i wonder if they thought about their assests in exile i mean Olga and Tatiana were well above 18 in exile.

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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2006, 07:50:14 AM »
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hmm thanks!

i wonder if they thought about their assests in exile i mean Olga and Tatiana were well above 18 in exile.
If you read the books, you'll see that they didn't have acess to their assets during their exile. The Bolshviks froze them.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2006, 10:29:59 AM »
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hmm thanks!

i wonder if they thought about their assests in exile i mean Olga and Tatiana were well above 18 in exile.
If you read the books, you'll see that they didn't have acess to their assets during their exile. The Bolshviks froze them.

aw... to bad!
thank you for the information!

ok i'm new at banking
if they froze the accounts doesn't that mean their money is still in there? like valid?
if it is where is the money now?
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2006, 12:14:19 PM »
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hmm thanks!

i wonder if they thought about their assests in exile i mean Olga and Tatiana were well above 18 in exile.
If you read the books, you'll see that they didn't have acess to their assets during their exile. The Bolshviks froze them.

aw... to bad!
thank you for the information!

ok i'm new at banking
if they froze the accounts doesn't that mean their money is still in there? like valid?
if it is where is the money now?

The money was stolen by the Bolsheviks. They confiscated all Romanov assets in July 1918. There's no money left that belonged to the Grand Duchesses.

When I say that this money should be repaid, I'm told, no, it was long ago. I don't think this matters. What matters is that the Bolsheviks were criminals and stole things that belonged to other people. Unless these matters are righted, I don't hold much hope for the future of Russia.

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2006, 03:38:32 PM »
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hmm thanks!

i wonder if they thought about their assests in exile i mean Olga and Tatiana were well above 18 in exile.
If you read the books, you'll see that they didn't have acess to their assets during their exile. The Bolshviks froze them.

aw... to bad!
thank you for the information!

ok i'm new at banking
if they froze the accounts doesn't that mean their money is still in there? like valid?
if it is where is the money now?

The money was stolen by the Bolsheviks. They confiscated all Romanov assets in July 1918. There's no money left that belonged to the Grand Duchesses.

When I say that this money should be repaid, I'm told, no, it was long ago. I don't think this matters. What matters is that the Bolsheviks were criminals and stole things that belonged to other people. Unless these matters are righted, I don't hold much hope for the future of Russia.

Oh...
well i think they should be repayed.
i mean it was their money after all.

i'm sure in the future they will pay them back

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2006, 04:30:56 PM »
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Oh...
well i think they should be repayed.
i mean it was their money after all.

i'm sure in the future they will pay them back

Sorry to break the news to you but the grand duchesses are both dead! This must come as a great shock to you but it has been fairly common knowledge for many years.

They, Olga and Tatiana, cannot be repayed for their loses if they are not extant (alive) to make a claim in court or to receive restitution. Just in case I misinterpretted your comments, could you have meant that the grand duchess present legal heirs be compensated for their relatives' financial loses during the revolution?

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2006, 05:57:56 PM »
Seems to me that the Bolsheviks whose pockets were lined with the grand duchesses' fortunes are likely long gone, too....
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2006, 06:19:51 PM »
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Seems to me that the Bolsheviks whose pockets were lined with the grand duchesses' fortunes are likely long gone, too....

Not just long gone (as in dead) but many of the Bolsheviks having met the same fate as the Imperial Family, that is execution or many of them having the fate of the majority of the Russian nobility, imprisonment and/or exile.

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2006, 09:39:43 AM »
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Oh...
well i think they should be repayed.
i mean it was their money after all.

i'm sure in the future they will pay them back

Sorry to break the news to you but the grand duchesses are both dead! This must come as a great shock to you but it has been fairly common knowledge for many years.

They, Olga and Tatiana, cannot be repayed for their loses if they are not extant (alive) to make a claim in court or to receive restitution. Just in case I misinterpretted your comments, could you have meant that the grand duchess present legal heirs be compensated for their relatives' financial loses during the revolution?

David

yes i mean is that they, Bolsheviks or the last remaining of them, should pay their living realitives.

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Re: Assets
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2006, 01:55:36 PM »
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When I say that this money should be repaid, I'm told, no, it was long ago. I don't think this matters. What matters is that the Bolsheviks were criminals and stole things that belonged to other people. Unless these matters are righted, I don't hold much hope for the future of Russia.

When I lay a map of the original Grand Duchy of Muscovy over a map of the Russian Empire, there seems an awful lot more land on the map of the empire.  Exactly how did the tsars acquire all this territory?

Once the Romanov heirs recover what was "stolen" from the them, shouldn't they then turn the money over to the heirs of the rulers of all the lands the Romanovs and their predecessors conquered or seized by force?

What makes the Bolshevik expropriation of Romanov property fundamentally less legitimate than the earlier seizures that enriched the Romanovs?

I really don't understand the application of personal property law to the actions of governments -- even revolutionary governments.  By such logic, the United States would owe Queen Elizabeth quite a tidy sum.