Toerring-Jettenbach

[Marie Valerie]

Thank you so much for the piccies!
They had very cute children.

 

Is there any photo with Sophie alone, I need a better look of her..  :-?

[Gretchen]

She isn´t alone in this picture, but she is looking simply lovely.

[Marie Valerie]

Sophie's so pretty!
She is a mix of Gackel and Marie Jose, her Sis Marie Gabrielle look so much like her mum and Elisabeth is the double of her father and Sophie got the best of both.

 

[MarieCharlotte]

A friend who lives in Seefeld, told me that Sophie is still very popular with the people in the area around Seefeld and Oberalting. She must have been very friendly, talked to the common people about every day things and their problems. There's still a street in Seefeld on with only Sophie was allowed to ride with her horse.

[grandduchessella]

I really like Antonia's names:

Antonia

Could this be the same basis for the choice of Sophie's first cousin Antonia of Luxemburg (who, ironically married Sophie's brother-in-law Rupprecht after Marie Gabrielle's death)? Marie Jose and Antonia's mother, Marie Ana, were sisters and they had another sister whose name was Maria Antonia (who married the Duke of Parma and was, I believe, the mother of Empress Zita of Austria). There was also a cousin of their mothers, Infanta Antonia of Portugal, who married Furst Leopold of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen.

[Marie Valerie]

Hans Veit married Sophie Adelheid Ludovica Maria Duchess in Bavaria on July 26th 1898. Sophie's aunt Elisabeth of Austria said: "If Sophie marrys a count, she doesn't have to be afraid of assassinations."

Their marriage was a love match, right?
Why had Sophie became "just" a Countess and her sisters were Queen of Belgium and Crownprincess of Bavaria, when it wasn't so.

 

[MarieCharlotte]

Hans Veit married Sophie Adelheid Ludovica Maria Duchess in Bavaria on July 26th 1898. Sophie's aunt Elisabeth of Austria said: "If Sophie marrys a count, she doesn't have to be afraid of assassinations."

Their marriage was a love match, right?
Why had Sophie became "just" a Countess and her sisters were Queen of Belgium and Crownprincess of Bavaria, when it wasn't so.

 

It was a love match. There were a few difficulties, but Sophie definitely wanted to marry Hans. Against the Count's wish, Sophie remained a Royal Highness after their marriage.

Marie Gabrielle has never been Crownprincess of Bavaria.

[Marie Valerie]

You're right.
Poor Marie Gabrielle died so young, she was *only* Princess of Bavaria.

[MarieCharlotte]

A late happy brithday to Princess Elizabeth! on may 24th, 102 years ago in Greece a dear little princess was born.  pity however she died in Germany/or Austria? at the age of 51.

According to Paul Theroff's Online Gotha she died on January 11th 1955 in Munich / Bavaria / Germany. The Toerring-Jettenbachs had a palais in Munich.

[MarieCharlotte]

Does anyone know where Elisabeth (and her husband) are buried?

thanks.

The Törring-Jettenbach family has a burial site on the grounds of Schloß Winhöring.  Princess Elisabeth and Count Karl Theodor are buried there.  The last to be brought interred there was Archduke Ferdinand of Autria, husband of the former Countess Helen zu Törring-Jettenbach.

Arturo Beéche

A woman called Angelika Rank from Seefeld told me that the Count was buried in the cemetery of Dünzelbach, because he refused to be buried in the crypt of Oberalting near Seefeld just like his parents Hans Veit and Sophie. Do you know something about that?

I've never received an answer ... Any information?

[Eurohistory]

Does anyone know where Elisabeth (and her husband) are buried?

thanks.

The Törring-Jettenbach family has a burial site on the grounds of Schloß Winhöring.  Princess Elisabeth and Count Karl Theodor are buried there.  The last to be brought interred there was Archduke Ferdinand of Autria, husband of the former Countess Helen zu Törring-Jettenbach.

Arturo Beéche

A woman called Angelika Rank from Seefeld told me that the Count was buried in the cemetery of Dünzelbach, because he refused to be buried in the crypt of Oberalting near Seefeld just like his parents Hans Veit and Sophie. Do you know something about that?

I've never received an answer ... Any information?

Count Carl Theodor zu Törring-Jettenbach and his wife Princess Elisabeth of Greece are both buried near the private chapel in the gardens of Schloß Winhöring.  Their son-in-law, Archduke Ferdinand of Austria is also buried there.

Arturo Beéche

[Eurohistory]

A late happy brithday to Princess Elizabeth! on may 24th, 102 years ago in Greece a dear little princess was born.  pity however she died in Germany/or Austria? at the age of 51.

According to Paul Theroff's Online Gotha she died on January 11th 1955 in Munich / Bavaria / Germany. The Toerring-Jettenbachs had a palais in Munich.

The Törring-Jettenbach Palais in Münich is located a stone's throw from the Residenz.  The family sold this structure to the Bavarian royal government in the XIXth century.  After that transaction the family acquired other properties around Münich, which continued to be occupied by the family.  This is information was provided to my the Chef des Hauses himself, Count Hans Veit zu Törring-Jettenbach.

Arturo Beéche

[Eurohistory]

Elizabeth's daughter Helen. A beauty like her mother! Pity Woolly never lived long ehough to see her daughter get married.  

It is quite certain that Princess Elisabeth knew her daughter would end up marrying Archduke Ferdinand.  He had been a friend of long standing with the Törring-Jettenbachs and was among those in their social milieu.  By the time Princess Elisabeth died both families expected that Countess Helen and Archduke Ferdinand were headed to the altar, which they did 14 months after Elisabeth's death.

Princess Elisabeth died on the day her son, Count Hans-Veit, celebrated his 20th birthday.  It was also the day after her 21st wedding anniversary.  Quite sad no doubt.

Arturo Beéche

[Eurohistory]

The Törring-Jettenbachs have extensive landholdings around bavaria, as well as at least three castles/palaces.  Winhöring and Seefeld and a third one the name of whch escapes me.

Count Karl Theodor received Winhöring and the hird palace I mention.  His brother Count Hans Heribert received Seefeld.

Arturo Beéche

[Eric_Lowe]

Yes I know that they are rich indeed. However it was mentioned that Wooley suffered much during the war. She wasn't mistreated like other royals ? (Mafelda Hesse and Antonia Bavaria comes to mind...) :-?