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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2006, 12:39:44 PM »
Princess Elisabeth suffered greatly during the war due to the fact that she remained isolated from her mother and two sisters.

The last visit made by the Törring-Jettenbachs to their Yugoslav cousins before Prince Regent Paul was sent into exile had caused a serious disturbance to family harmony. for by then the war raging around Europe had caused a political rift to develop between Elisebth and Karl Theodor, on the one side, and Paul and Olga and Marina and George and GHrand Duchess Helen on the other side.

It would take nearly a decade for Princess Elisabeth to see her sisters and mother again, a decadce during which she suffered greatly due to the physical separation from them as well as the tensions that developed within the previously tight-knit family grouping.  The death of the Duke of Kent and princess Elisabeth's inability to travel to the UK to be by her sister's side was also quite deeply felt by Pricness Elisabeth.

Add to that the terrible dislocation suffered by many family and friends during the last years of the war and the beginning of the postwar era...it is enough for anyone to suffer greatly, both emotionally and physically.

By the time the sisters on te Allied side traveled to Germany, Princess Elisabeth was a ghost of her former self.

For further reading about this and much, much more on these amazing sisters I must refer you to MY FIFTTY YEARS (Eurohistory 2006).

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2006, 09:04:23 PM »
Yes I will certainly consider that. As very little has been done on Wooley. Every tibit counts. Even those I got from Charlotte Zeepvat's nanny book !  ;)

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2006, 07:47:22 PM »
The descendants of Princess Elisabeth were very helpful when I was writing her chapter and I was, and remain, deeply thankful to them for their openness, hospitality and support.  They also supported my work once it was finished by purchasing a substantial number of copies of MY FIFTY YEARS and sending the book along as a present to royal cousins all around Europe, particularly those with Greek/Danish connections.

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2007, 10:49:29 AM »
Hallo.

I am searching for an engagement / wedding pic of Princess Elisabeth and Carl Theodor Toto zu Toerring-Jettenbach on which you can see also their parents or some of their relatives. Photographs of Elisabeth and her Toerring-Jettenbach family (with Toto, her children, ...) would be great, too.

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2007, 06:26:59 AM »
Hallo.

I am searching for an engagement / wedding pic of Princess Elisabeth and Carl Theodor Toto zu Toerring-Jettenbach on which you can see also their parents or some of their relatives. Photographs of Elisabeth and her Toerring-Jettenbach family (with Toto, her children, ...) would be great, too.

Thanks in advance.

In MY FIFTY YEARS: THE MEMOIRS OF PRINCE NICHOLAS OF GREECE there are quite some rather lovey photos of Princess Elisabeth and Count Carl Theodor, included among them one of their wedding.

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2007, 07:37:05 PM »
Yes I did saw them, but there really wasn't a lot of them going around...even when they were suppose to attend weddings or baptisms.  ???

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2007, 09:25:17 AM »
But you forget why this is the case perhaps...THE WAR!

Being caught in Germany, and away from her family, Elisabeth did not attend many events after the death of her father in February 1938.  Then came the war, privations and sacrifice and suffering, and afterwards her illness which robbed poor Elisabeth of much energy.  When the family came to see her after the war, she was but "a ghost of her former self." (Prince Paul of Yugoslavia).

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2007, 07:57:58 PM »
Indeed !

Although you said Elisabeth did not endure much physical hardship, I guess the stress must have been a factor in her illness (she was unable to go to Marina, when her husband died). Was she able to correspond with her mother in Greece ?  ???

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2007, 11:45:05 PM »
Charlotte Zeepvatt's latest book, Cradle to Crown, has a later picture of Elisabeth with Marina, Alexandra and Michael Kent, and the Greek princesses's former nanny, Kate Fox. It was taken in 1947 in, I presume, England.
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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2007, 03:41:07 AM »
Yes...I asked Charlotte myself about that photo last year. It was from the Royal Archievs.  ;)

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #70 on: August 11, 2008, 06:32:57 AM »
To be fair the Toerrings were a Mediatised family of the Holy Roman Empire and thus of equal rank

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« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2008, 03:29:34 AM »
To be fair the Toerrings were a Mediatised family of the Holy Roman Empire and thus of equal rank

Definitely more equal then Count of Wrbna-Freudenthal, whom married Elvira of Bavaria...

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2008, 10:28:40 AM »
They even declined the Princely title that offered to the family and were very rich and quite a good match in terms of wealth,and although only Counts yet considered equal...

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2008, 02:00:32 PM »
they are wealthy brewers...just like the Wittlesbachs

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Re: Toerring-Jettenbach
« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2008, 02:46:32 PM »
Well...Wittelsbachs were rulers of Bavaria.