Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899),discussion and pictures

[Dominic_Albanese]

This is the 1st I've heard of George being married and having children.

It seems odd to me - but certainly possible I guess.

Why wouldn't this have come up in the diaries of N&A, GD Konstantine and Empress Maria?

It rings odd to me, based on what I've read in the past.  Do others think this is hard to believe as well or am I alone on this one?

dca

[LisaDavidson]

Dominic: I also doubt these rumors are true. George was quite ill. While he may have wanted to have a family, it would be doubtful that he married someone morganatically.

[Sunny]

This is the 1st I've heard of George being married and having children.

It seems odd to me - but certainly possible I guess.

Why wouldn't this have come up in the diaries of N&A, GD Konstantine and Empress Maria?

It rings odd to me, based on what I've read in the past.  Do others think this is hard to believe as well or am I alone on this one?

dca

...Two marriages, and four children born to the son of a Tsar, and court gossips never mentioned it...I agree with Lisa. You aren't alone on this one Dominic.

Sunny

[felix]

I agree with Sunny and Lisa. Marie F. met Michaels son in London. Why would this have been kept so  hush hush.

[AGRBear]

GD Georg was living in a isolated area, he was very ill, and, maybe, everyone just wanted him to live out his life as peacefully as he could.

No one in the family has called the granddchildren of GD Georg imposter, why should any of us?

As I've tried to explain over and over, there are many things about the Romanovs we do not and will not ever know.

AGRBear

[Eurohistory]

But how feasible could t have been for george to get married twice and no one in the family mention it in any correspondence and Nichlas II taking zero action to address the position of these marriages and their offsrping within the family and succession?  My gutt feeling is that these were fiction and never took place.

Arturo Beéche

[AGRBear]

All I can say is, Penny Wilson, told us on another thread that GD George's ancestors live on the west coast of the USA.

And,  if the children proved to be no threat to the other Romanovs, which evidently they did not, AND, if they did not live near any of the other Romanovs, then there was no contact.

It's call "live and let live".

If there was any contact, it was through what our family called, "by the back door".  There was no fuss, no bother, and they left.
Simple.  Quiet.  And that was it.

Unless you lived in that society,  it's difficult to understand this attitude and the lack of information.  But, when the Royal family wanted a secret kept, it was kept, or a person paid the consequences of "letting the cat out of the bag".  

AGRBear

[jfkhaos]

I can't imagine that George had two marriages and a handful of children without any mention from the sources above.  I can understand that George was ill, and perhaps they did just want him to live peacefully, but then again every other marriage and resulting offspring was mentioned in some context or other.  If that theory is held to be true, why couldn't the Imperial women, who had no claim to the throne, live out their lives peacefully as well with no fuss or mention?

[Eurohistory]

Why would there be no mention of this rather important fact in the correspondence of ANY other member of the family...do you honestly think that Maria Feodorovna would have never mentioned it to anyone, that Alexander Michaelovich and Xenia, Olga, Alexandra Feodorovna (imagine her keeping something like this from her sisters in their private correspondence), imagine Maria Alexandrovna keeping it from her own daughters in correspondence in which they discussed the most private and intimate details of their lives...seriuosly...is this going to become the new sacred cow of those who so wantonly wish to believe these conspiracy theories?

When is there an end to these endless claims of secret descendants no one had ever known about...truly...

I know of someone who claims to be the son of Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna's Putiatine son...a baby who died at an extremely young age, who miraculously survived, even though his mothe rnever mentioned him again, and miracle of miracles had descendants who...yes...you guessed it...live in the good ol' U S of A!

Arturo Beéche

[helenazar]

Penny Wilson, told us on another thread that GD George's ancestors live on the west coast of the USA.

I think you mean "descendants" not "ancestors"?

Do you remember what Penny's source was? I couldn't find the thread where she posted this, did she say where she got this info from?

...when the Royal family wanted a secret kept, it was kept, or a person paid the consequences of "letting the cat out of the bag".  

Obviously the secret wasn't kept that well if Penny found out about it  

[Janet_W.]

I recall reading that George was very probably homosexual. I apologize for not having a reference at hand to back this up. Perhaps someone else does, or perhaps what I've just mentioned can be refuted?

[Tsaritsa]

I must agree.  George would not have remained Tsarevich if he married morganatically.  

Considering the scandal over Misha's marriage, he was only the Tsar's brother not the Tsarevich at the time.  Though the "reason" for his marriage was Alexei's near death at Spala.

I can't imagine George would contract such a marriage.  Or that if such a marriage occurred no one would know about it or mention it.

As much as this family wrote and corresponded, something would have become known.  

[helenazar]

I just found a post made by Greg King that talks about George's homosexuality and his supposed morganatic marriage and children:

...George Alexandrovich was named a few years back as homosexual in a scholarly article by a respected Russian historian, Simon Karlinsky.  He wrote an article (publication was in something like the Hoover Institute Digest, though I could be wrong on this) called "The Seven Gay Grand Dukes," in which he named George Alexandrovich; Konstantin Konstantinovich; Dimitri Konstantinovich; Serge Alexandrovich; and-if I recall-Dimitri Pavlovich, and two others I cannot remember-I think one was Nicholas Mikhailovich and the other may have been Serge Mikhailovich, though I am not at all certain.  So George Alexandrovich's homosexuality has certainly been asserted by others than Peter Kurth.

But that's balanced again George's time in the Caucasus, where he was said to have contracted not one but two morganatic marriages, the first with a native Caucasian woman in 1893 shortly after arriving at Abbas Touman.  The union, said to have produced a child, was dissolved after two years.  In 1894, he was believed to have contracted a second morganatic marriage, this time with a local woman, Mlle. Orkovska, who bore him two sons and a daughter.  These children, allegedly given the surname of Romanovsky, as well as firm evidence to support either of the two unions, disappeared after the Revolution.  I do know one gentleman who lives in the United States and says he is a grandson, I think.  I've never asked for evidence, but he has provided it to some well-placed friends who have no doubt that his claim is true.  Of course, having offspring doesn't preclude one being gay-witness Grand Duke Konstantin Konstantinovich or Felix Yusupov.  But there are a number of claims about George that will probably never be resolved, given the lack of documentation.

Greg King

[Eurohistory]

I just found a post made by Greg King that talks about George's homosexuality and his supposed morganatic marriage and children:

I contacted karlinsky several years ago when i found out this article and he refused to talk about it saying that since more information had become available he would not stand by whhat he had written and that was that...

Arturo Beéche

[felix]

Could George Alexandrovich some times  be confused with George of Greece? I saw this once concerning the attack in Japan.