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« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2006, 08:00:09 AM »
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The children of George I's son Nicholas (Olga, Elizabeth and Marina) were OTMAA's second cousins (in fact OEM were DOUBLE second cousins to OTMAA specifically).


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« Reply #76 on: January 26, 2006, 03:01:37 PM »
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;D lol


lol...:) What's so funny? That's true!

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« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2006, 07:36:30 AM »
Dear All,

I would be thankful for any info regarding contacts and relationships between the Romanovs who lived in France after the revolution and the royal French family of Jean d'Orleans, duke de Guise. Thanks!

Alexander


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« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2006, 12:16:22 PM »
It has been noted that of the children, only Anastasia seemed to enjoy visits with the Kaiser . . . apparently he enjoyed her waggishness, and she enjoyed playing to his enjoyment.

I think the children's glumness in this photograph is in reaction to the Kaiser's personality . . . a bit too jolly, a bit too over-familiar. And the children also must have picked up, from their parents, that the Kaiser was something of a persona non grata. Therefore, accepting beautiful dolls from him was very much a double-edged sword.

So, to quote a cliche, "the camera does not lie"!

That seems true to me. In reference to another post, I think that Alexandra never really liked the Kaiser, but all the evidence is that Nicholas never did either. I don't think that there is any evidence to suggest that Nicholas was ever more than polite to the Kaiser. Not many of his royal relatives liked the Kaiser, to be sure.  ;) It certainly is interesting that Anastasia enjoyed visits with the Kaiser- I don't think I heard that before.

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« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2006, 08:26:12 AM »
I've read somewhere that Alix gave all presents from Kaiser Wilhelm II. away, even the ones for the children, because she hated Wilhelm so much... Is that right?

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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2006, 07:45:25 PM »
I have never read that, but it would be nice if someone could source that for us. I think it would fit with how Alexandra surely regarded the Kaiser, much as Nicholas did. They endured these visits because they must, but it would truly interesting if Anastasia actually enjoyed visits by him-I have an easier time seeing her making fun of him... ;) I would love it if someone could come up with what books, etc there are that mention these things.

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« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2006, 04:51:27 PM »
Wilhelm and Alexandra were first cousins. She despised her from her early childhood. He was a bully, he'd even knowingly push his hemophiliac cousins to make them fall. At the time this picture was taken, Alexandra would not have allowed Wilhelm enter her house if he weren't the Keiser. Her expression in this picture (unusual even for Alexandra) is a clear indication of her feelings towards him. It's like why don't you get the h*** out of here! Anastasia has a little smile on her face. But the older girls know exactly what their mother is going through, and are not in the mood for smiling either. Nicholas was only friendly towards the keiser in a superficial way. I am not sure whether he hated Wilhelm as much as Alexandra did, but he certainly didn't like hime. I would go as far as saying that he probably even disliked him quite a bit.

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« Reply #82 on: November 15, 2006, 08:47:10 AM »
It does seem to me that Nicholas never liked the Kaiser, and only put up with him as he had to, being a royal relative and the head of an important country, but then it seems to me that those were the feelings of many about the Kaiser, or worse. ;) Perhaps Anastasia only got along with the Kaiser because she wasn't aware of what people thought of him and his visits, maybe she wasn't very informed?

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« Reply #83 on: November 15, 2006, 10:42:05 AM »
Where did you read about the Kaiser pushing his hemophiliac relatives? I've never heard that.  ???
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« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2006, 12:44:41 PM »
That does sound a bit extreme even for Wilhelm. I think he was the type who could seem rough, although he was not-it was more like a pose. Underneath, he wasn't what he seemed, yet he was a better person, or at least, a somewhat more palatable person than his exterior, etc. But, nobody really liked him, and he defintely wasn't the right ruler for Germany, at all.

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« Reply #85 on: November 15, 2006, 03:52:01 PM »
Where did you read about the Kaiser pushing his hemophiliac relatives? I've never heard that.  ???
Unfortunately I can't recall where I read it. It could be in a book I read about Ella, which I can always look up, or in a book I read about Aueen Victoria, which I do not have access to anymore. But I vividly remember that all the adults were fed up with him, because he would push his hemophiliac cousins, not to hurt them since he was a little boy himself and did not understand the potential danger, but simply because hw was told not to.

I've been living in Germany and more specifically in Berlin for 3 years now, and I have learned an aweful lot more about the Kaiser.
I really and truely believe that if there were no Wilhelm II, there would not have been a Hitler. Germany would have prospered differently and would have become a major though benign world superpower.

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« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2006, 12:35:18 PM »
I didn't know where to post this and if you already discussed about this, but I read something very interesting.

I read the other day a letter which William, the german emperor wrote to Nicky in 1895.
I will try to translate it:

"...then you, my dear Nicky, will suddenly be involved in the most terrible war which has ever come over Europe! And the people and history will probably make you responsible for that."

Isn't that amazing?? He wrote that 20 years before exactly this happened!



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« Reply #87 on: November 27, 2006, 12:43:14 PM »
That is interesting- where did you get this from? I'm just interested. But, I am not sure if the Kaiser was very psychic or anything..He just had many military opinions. He liked to throw them everywhere, no doubt. I would be pretty sure that Nicholas ignored this. He might have thought that was just like the Kaiser.  ;) Maybe, even then the Kaiser knew he would be on the other side in this war.

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« Reply #88 on: November 27, 2006, 01:03:20 PM »
It is a book from Andrej Maylunas and Sergej Mironenko, "A love for all eternity, Nicholas and Alexandra, the last tsar and tsarina". I don't if this is also the english title. This book includes letters of everyone and there I found this letter from William to Nicky.
I'm sure he didn't know that this would really happen, but it is also extremely fascinating, don't you think?

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« Reply #89 on: November 27, 2006, 01:12:25 PM »
Yes, I know that book, I have read it. It is called something different in English. I must have missed it when I read that book. Perhaps the Kaiser had a sense of what role he would play in the events of the future. He might have had a sense a world war was going to happen, beyond just a war for Nicholas would be blamed. Doesn't it seem every monarch back then was blamed for an unpopular war? The Kaiser knew much about that sort of thing, but maybe he had a feeling as well. I wonder if he ever remembered those words later, although I don't think they ever came back to haunt him. But, it was sort of a prediction.