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I just saw the detail by accident. Prince Albert admired the Bavarian family. Everywhere photos and paintings of his uncles and aunts.

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Dis Ludovika have a good relationship with her daughter-in-law Infanta D. Maria José ?

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A late picture of Duke Max:


This is supposed to be Ludovica but I'm not sure. The text said it was her.








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Hello,
does anybody know who the photographed girl beside Duke Maximilian/Max in Bavaria (father of empress Elizabeth of Austria) is ?

Greetings Alice


The woman could be one of Max illegitimate daughters, he had a few...
Neither is she Elisabeth, Helene, Marie, Mathilde or Sophie in Bavaria.

I was thinking the same thing, I wonder how many where there and what where their names?

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Did Max recognize any of them ?

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Duke Max preferred his illegitimate children.
Only they were allowed to dinner with him, his in Bavaria children were not.

That is all I know about that topic.

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I've googled in search of Maximilian's illegitimate chidren.

Several sites say they had many illegitimate children but not in a single one could I trace any names, dates of birth/death, weddings or successors.

Did he provide for his illegitimate children, bearing in mind what Marie Valerie says that these were his favourite children ?

I always thought Sissi was his favourite - perhaps among the legitimate.

Can someone give a list of his illegitimate children ?

Thanks in advance
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not much info. Haven't saw a picture of any of them in any bio...at least in English.

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The duke's illegitimate children
« Reply #294 on: March 29, 2013, 09:54:18 AM »
That's a really interesting topic. Although I've bought each book, magazine and newspaper I was able to find within the last 15 years, I couldn't pick up much information about Maximilian's illegatimate children. By the way, he didn't seem to have any illegitimate sons, because in books there has unexceptionally been the talk of "daughters".

It seems to be confirmed that Max used to have dinner with these daughters. Also Brigitte Hamann mentioned that in her biography about Elisabeth.

Strange enough, Duke Max turned to be some kind of maverick in his later years. He lived in his rooms in the Maxpalais in Munich and didn't want to see neither his family nor most of the servants. Marie Redwitz, Duchess Amélie's lady-in-waiting, saw him for the first time when he was lying on his deathbed.

Marie Larisch - well, it's up to you if you believe in her stories - told that Marie of Naples wanted to see her father shortly before his death. When she was on her way to him, she met "one of the duke's illegitimate daughters he loved so much" on the stairs and talked to her. If this is the truth, Max's illegitimate daughters were allowed to enter the palais and they got to know the duke's legitimate children. Besides, it seems like the duke favoured his illegitimate daughters also in old age and has kept close contact to them over the years.

I've never come across any names or birth dates. That's a pity!
« Last Edit: March 29, 2013, 09:55:54 AM by MarieCharlotte »
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Dis Ludovika have a good relationship with her daughter-in-law Infanta D. Maria José ?

Duke Carl Theodor was heartbroken after his beloved first wife Princess Sophie had died. It was hard for Ludovica to see her favourite son suffer so much. Besides, she wasn't happy about the fact that he couldn't make up his mind to marry again.

In 1873, Marie and Francesco of Naples convinced Carl Theodor to have a look at Marie José. The young Infanta and her mother stayed with some relatives in Offenbach, when they met the former king and Carl Theodor in the park - by accident, of course ... After a long and nice conversation, Carl Theodor proposed to Marie José, but the Infanta wanted to have some time to think about an engagement. We have to keep in mind that the duke was much older than Marie José. Carl Theodor was disappointed, but in early 1874 Marie José said "yes".

Ludovica liked Marie José very much. It's also a nice fact that Marie José's father Miguel of Braganza was Ludovica's first love she was refused to marry. Most of the time, Ludovica lived with her son and his family. That's why we have quite a lot of photos showing the old duchess and some of Carl Theodor's children.
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Thats a nice story! Maria Jose and Carl Theodor are one of my favorite royal couples!

Thanks so much, Marie Charlotte and Welcome back!!

BTW  , talking about illegitimate daughters of Max, do you think this lady posing with him is one of them?

Hello,
does anybody know who the photographed girl beside Duke Maximilian/Max in Bavaria (father of empress Elizabeth of Austria) is ?

Greetings Alice



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This photo is totally new to me Carolath!! (X_X) I think that that she is actually one of Duke Max's beloved illegitimate daughters. There is a strong resemblance  of the lady and the Duke (she has a Wittelsbach look) but I don't think that she is any of his five legitimate daughters (she doesn't look like any of them). I wonder who was her mother and what was her name (as well as all related to her life).

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I always thought Sissi was his favourite - perhaps among the legitimate.

I've read in some old books that Duke Max was very fond of Sissi (they shared many activities and time together) but I wonder if he was even more fond of his ilegitimate daughters.
Any idea of how many illegitimate daughters he had?
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It was for auction a month ago among the new images of Sissi ;-) .

I also think that s one of his illegitimate daughters, tho some say its, in fact, Elisabeth! (there are certain resemblance, but not so much )

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Too bad. I don't think it was Sisi but her illegitimate half sister.

Too bad not much is known about her and her other "sisters" (since it was mentioned  Duke Max's daughters). :-(