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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2006, 10:06:49 PM »
It is not up to a priest to pass judgment on one of his parishioners for what he has confessed or what he has failed to confess.  There is always hope of salvation.  Ernst Heino Tammet-Veerman took a legal name belonging to the boy whose identity he took, and with that name he was buried.

Perhaps the silence adds up to all these eminent individuals either *not* having the funds to finish the project or *not* feeling the remaining claimants worth any more bother when it was found that none of them had the hemophilia gene carried by the Empress Alexandra.  How any claimant could expect the work to be done for free, in impoverished post-Soviet Russia, is breathtaking....

It would be cheaper to have a fresh test done, as the FA says.

All this trouble sifting through garbage on behalf of someone who didn't have Alexei's nose, brows, ears, eyes or mouth in the first place....  *shaking head*.  Why?  Just because he made local news?  

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2006, 11:44:38 PM »

[size=10]I believe our esteemed FA is right. It is time to shread this thread into that "Garbage Can", ensuring that there will be no recycling.[/size][/color]  ;D
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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #122 on: June 05, 2006, 03:19:45 PM »
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Perhaps the silence adds up to all these eminent individuals either *not* having the funds to finish the project or *not* feeling the remaining claimants worth any more bother when it was found that none of them had the hemophilia gene carried by the Empress Alexandra.  How any claimant could expect the work to be done for free, in impoverished post-Soviet Russia, is breathtaking....

Oh, Good grief!  The way to find the answer is handed to you on a platter... and you all start back-pedalling....

The work has already been done... not in "post Soviet Russia", but in England and the US. It just happens to be a Russian, the leading Russian Romanov DNA investigator who still has the remaining samples... and the answer.  All you have to do is ask him.  How difficult is that?

As for your comment about "... not feeling the remaining claimants worth any more bother when it was found that none of them had the hemophilia gene carried by the Empress Alexandra"....

It has *NOT* yet been proved for a fact that Alexandra actually did carry that suspected gene that you keep harping about... even though the researchers have had the Empress's  DNA in their hot little hands and the ability to look for the evidence of that same gene for more than fifteen years.

But that brings us right back to our discussion of a few weeks ago on a very different thread.... and you do so seem to enjoy incessantly arguing this case in circles...

Ask the man who has the samples and the answer. You'll find him in Moscow.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #123 on: August 11, 2006, 02:30:30 PM »
 ;D

In estonian archivs you easily find:

Siseministeeriumi Politsei... > Passitoimkond > 12. Välispasside toimikud > Tammet, Heino   
Leidandmed ERA.1.3.4722 
Pealkiri Tammet, Heino
Piirdaatumid 09.08.1938-21.02.1939
Liik Arhivaal
Ainese keel -
Juurdepääsupiirangud -
Märkused -
Lehti -
Kirje sisestatud 01.04.2004

J_Kendrick

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #124 on: August 11, 2006, 04:18:10 PM »
;D

In estonian archivs you easily find:

Siseministeeriumi Politsei... > Passitoimkond > 12. Välispasside toimikud > Tammet, Heino   
Leidandmed ERA.1.3.4722 
Pealkiri Tammet, Heino
Piirdaatumid 09.08.1938-21.02.1939
Liik Arhivaal
Ainese keel -
Juurdepääsupiirangud -
Märkused -
Lehti -
Kirje sisestatud 01.04.2004


Keep looking...

You've only just scratched the surface!  ;)

JK

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #125 on: August 11, 2006, 06:36:19 PM »
;D

In estonian archivs you easily find:

Siseministeeriumi Politsei... > Passitoimkond > 12. Välispasside toimikud > Tammet, Heino   
Leidandmed ERA.1.3.4722 
Pealkiri Tammet, Heino
Piirdaatumid 09.08.1938-21.02.1939
Liik Arhivaal
Ainese keel -
Juurdepääsupiirangud -
Märkused -
Lehti -
Kirje sisestatud 01.04.2004


What does this mean?  Translation please!

miller99

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #126 on: August 14, 2006, 07:14:01 AM »
Heino Tammet foreignpassport ( in german Reisepassport) units.
Send e-mail to The National Archives of Estonia  and I know all about Heino Tammet !
 http://www.ra.ee/?topic=25

J_Kendrick

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #127 on: August 15, 2006, 10:21:55 AM »
Heino Tammet foreignpassport ( in german Reisepassport) units.
Send e-mail to The National Archives of Estonia  and I know all about Heino Tammet !
 http://www.ra.ee/?topic=25

Not yet, you don't!  ;)

Again....

You've only just scratched the surface...

JK
« Last Edit: August 15, 2006, 10:26:18 AM by J_Kendrick »

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2006, 01:00:03 PM »
Here are some links on the Vancouver pretender (false Alexei)


http://www.npsnet.com/alexei_found/

http://www.russia.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=8216

Way back in 2004 I first read about Tammet from posters here on AP.

My first reaction was the photo of Tammet and his ears which were not laying flat against his head like the  Alexei's ears are in the many photos we have of him.  So, my quick judgement was:  I didn't think Tammet was Alexei.

I found Kendricks questions about Alexei's blood disorder very interesting.  I hadn't thought about Alexei possibily having anything but hemophilia. 

True,  if Kendrick hopes to prove Tammet was Alexei then he'd have to prove Alexei didn't have hemophilia but a different blood disorder which had the same symtoms.  Even though  I didn't think Tammet was Alexei,  this didn't stop me from wondered if Alexei's blood disorder was hemophilia.

For some reason,  people have misinterpreted my questions about Alexei's blood disorder and some have even gone as far as claiming I'm trying to prove Tammet or Filatov or some other claimant is Alexei.  I've yet to see any claimants who hve convinced me that he was Alexei or  she was GD Anastasia or any of the other members of the Royal Family.

Back to Tammet and Kendrick's claim that Tammet was Alexei.

Kendricks believes Alexei did have not have hemophilia.

Not being an expert in blood dieases,  I asked if there are any blood disorders which have the same symtoms as hemophilia.  The answer is yes.  Today's medical labs have provided us with different types of blood disorders which are similiar to hemophilia.

Kendricks claim that Tammet's blood disorder would have caused the same symtoms in his youth which were similar to what Alexei suffered.  This in itself does not prove Tammet is Alexei. 

Undesended testicle is another bit of evidence Kendrick provides.   Once again, Tammet and Alexei seemed to have something in common.  However,  this does not prove Tammet is Alexei.  Since one of my sons had the same when he was born,  I remember asking the doctor about it,  and,  he said this was not uncommon.  I never asked the percentage of how many boys are born each year with this condition,  but I presume "common" means it's not out of the ordinary.  To add to this,  the doctor said not to worry that it was common for the testicle to drop before the age of 12.

I'm not even going to discuss the telegrams.  Without even calling any one connected to royal weddings and telegrams,  I assume that receiving ones from such occasions are not handled personally and there are people hired to handle the huge amount of mail received.

This morning I took another look at Kendrick site and saw Tammet with his ears sticking out.  I guess I'm still stuck on his ears and cannot seem to get pass them.   The ears continue to convince me he's not Alexei.  Such a simple thing, ears.  I know ears sometimes flaten against the head, as a person matures,  but,  as a boy matures,  do ears go in reverse and end up sticking out like Tammet's. [Bear is asking a serious question and does not have tongue in cheek to prevent a  smile.]

On Kendricks site he has the two photos side by side:

http://www.npsnet.com/tsarevich_alexei/index.html
 

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« Last Edit: November 18, 2006, 01:25:08 PM by AGRBear »
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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2006, 01:12:53 PM »
;D

In estonian archivs you easily find:

Siseministeeriumi Politsei... > Passitoimkond > 12. Välispasside toimikud > Tammet, Heino   
Leidandmed ERA.1.3.4722 
Pealkiri Tammet, Heino
Piirdaatumid 09.08.1938-21.02.1939
Liik Arhivaal
Ainese keel -
Juurdepääsupiirangud -
Märkused -
Lehti -
Kirje sisestatud 01.04.2004


What is the translation?  Without it,  this is passing right over AGRBear's, stephans and other posters' ears.

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« Last Edit: November 18, 2006, 01:19:54 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2006, 01:18:56 PM »
The ease of 'solving' this mystery is as simple as is the AA one- looking at photos closely.

As Bear rightly points out, Heino's ears stuck out quite prominently at the top.  Alexei's did not.
Heino had small and rather pig like, round eyes- Alexei had the large and downwards slanting eyes of his father.
Heino had a large and broad, distinctively shaped forehead; Alexei did not.
Heino had a strange nose which seems to have had a broad, flat bottom to it- Alexei's was thin and straight like his mother's.
Heino's mouth turned naturally downwards, even when he is smiling.  Alexei's turned upwards.

Alexei had an aesthetically pleasing, rather feminine face that was similar to his sister Tatiana's.  One can quite clearly see particular features of his mother and father in his face.

Heino's face is not particularly aesthetically pleasing, lacks the symmetry of Alexei's face and does not have the same femininity to it.  In short, he looks rather common; a bit like a beefy rugby player.  There is nothing there that would suggest a genealogy from Nicholas or Alexandra.

It's hilarious, when looking at photos of the pair, to suggest that they were one and the same.  There so clearly is no resemblance between them that I find it difficult to even understand why this claim was taken in any way seriously in the first place.  DNA tests aren't necessary; no two people could look LESS alike.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #131 on: November 20, 2006, 09:57:50 AM »
Subject: Alexei's Blood Disorder

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It has *NOT* yet been proved for a fact that Alexandra actually did carry that suspected gene that you keep harping about... even though the researchers have had the Empress's  DNA in their hot little hands and the ability to look for the evidence of that same gene for more than fifteen years. 

I believe this is true.  The tests on the bone/bones of Alelxnadra found in the mass grave have not been tested to see if she was a carrier of hemophilia.  At lleast I believe that is what has been told to us somewhere on this forum several years ago.  I assume no tests have been made to provide us with a scientific answer.

And,  I'd still like to understand the remark on some estonian  archieval subject mentioned by Miller.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #132 on: October 06, 2007, 05:18:41 PM »
I see You do never stop. Heino Tammet’s native-born name was Ernst Wiermann. He was Estonian guy, who wont to be better than he was. Before II World ware he ganged he’s name to Heino Tammet. He was my grandfathers youngest brother and NO RUSSIAN, NO TSAREVITSH, NO ROMANOV.
Please stop this codswallop.
 :-/


Dear Wiermann,
I my name is Savanna Nichols and have been researching the Heino Tammet Romanov Case for some time now and have been in contact with his widow Sandra Romanov. I am very interested in your thoughts and would like to learn more about Heino Tammet. I would also like to share with you the letters that Sandra Romanov has sent to me.
Thank You, And I hope to hear from you soon.
Savanna Nichols
Savanna@petfriendzylv.com

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #133 on: October 12, 2007, 08:10:26 PM »
I have learned many things from visiting this forum & I have learned that many people had more opinions on the Tammet Case than I thought. I know there are many people with questions still unanswered. I believe we need to have some sort of a group structure and stand together and demand answers. And not give up until they are answered. 

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #134 on: October 12, 2007, 08:33:25 PM »
Please share some of the letters she sent you  Savanna!  :)