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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2005, 12:48:51 PM »
Alekseevich posts elsewhere:

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Respected Pravoslavnaya;

I was introduced to the man in the photographs identified as Heino Tammet. I was told he was my father and that he was Tsarevich Aleksei Nikolaievich. Personally i don't know what to think. It is not possible for the genetic markers i was told i carry to come from the man who's name is on my birth certificate. I have also been told i have the same Y chromosome as a "proven" (whatever that means) direct decendent of Emperor Aleksander III. 
The man i met was of short stature, however people who knew him in Canada tell me Heino Tammet was 5 foot 10 inches tall. I was taller than the man i met when i was 14.
Let me be clear about photography for a moment; I'm not saying retouched; Not altered after the fact but taken in such a way to give a visual impression that might be misleading. When the man i met had photos taked of the two of us the last time i saw him, the man with the camera almost sat onthe ground in order to hold the camera very low and point it up at the man. I was standing about a meter behind him. The photo would show him looking much taller than me when i was perhaps 5 cm taller than him at the time. He remarked "I have always been photographed this way, since i was a child."
There is objectivly measurable evidence of similar photographic tricks in photos of the real Tsarevich Aleksei taken in Russia; One has him standing with trees in the background. He was rather young. A hand heald camera used by any adult, and any tripod camera i know of, would be looking at a downward angle. From the background it is clear beyond a doubt the camera was pointed up. (this always makes the subject look taller) The underside of trees in the background are clearly visible, a geometric imposibility if the camera were pointed down.
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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2005, 12:13:14 PM »
This has gone on quite long enough.  Now I must draw the line.

Let's make this perfectly clear to everyone on this board. "Alexeevich" is just another Romanov claimant who has no connection whatsoever to the subject under discussion here.   His posts do not belong on this thread.  "Alexeevich" claims to have been told that he has "the same Y-chromosome as a "proven" direct descendent of Emperor Aleksander III."   Everyone here on this board will know for a fact that no Y-chromosome DNA test of any kind has ever been done or published to prove descent from Alexander III.  

The poster who identifies himself in this forum as "Alexeevich" has claimed to be Alexei's son.  He further claims to have been introduced to the man he was told was his father "Alexei" during a visit to his junior high school in the state of Connecticut in 1969.   The man who now calls himself "Alexeevich" has attempted to promote his own claims on this board by hitching his wagon to another completely separate Alexei case to which he has absolutely no connection.

In actual fact, "Alexeevich" has *never* met the man who the members of this board now refer to as Heino Tammet.  Despite the claims that have been made here by "Alexeevich", these two completely separate individuals have absolutely no connection to each other whatsoever.  The Russian born man whose June 1977 death certificate identifies him as Alexei Heino Tammet-Romanov had never been anywhere near the state of Connecticut at any time during his lifetime.

Using his real name in private conversation, "Alexeevich" and I have had words on this matter on numerous occasions over the past three years.  I shall refrain from discussing the details of that private correspondence on this or any other publicly read forum.  Nor shall I comment any further in regard to "Alexeevich" on this particular board.  Nothing more needs to be said about this matter.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2005, 12:57:40 PM »
Since I don't know either one of you personally, nor do I know anything about either of you,  I'm not sure what is occuring between the two of you nor do I know who to believe.

Does someone out there know either of these people???

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2005, 01:05:49 PM »
I found this:

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No, I have not had the pleasure of meeting Mrs. Tammet. From the early days of the net and before, I took it upon myself to check out as many claimants as I could. I have been in touch with Mr. John Kendrick for about 7 years.


Who is John Kendrick?

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2005, 03:40:41 PM »
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I found this:


Who is John Kendrick?

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John Kendrick is a journalist based in BC who has written extensively about the Heino Tammet case. I have no idea who the other chap is. I have always found John Kendrick to be a man of good repute and character - and I'm glad he's joined us on this board!

John: This thread is about the case, and while I can see you clearly have differences with "Alekseovich", he is permitted to post here. Perhaps he could take his comments to a separate thread?

"Alekseovich": It is my suggestion as a Moderator here that you start a thread if you feel you have issues to discuss. John knows enough about this case that I would trust his word that Mr. Tammet had not been in CT, but this is only my opinion. I am very sorry you have had a difficult life.

That said, any differences with Mr. Kendrick need to be taken "outside" and not on our forum, if you please.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2005, 03:48:46 PM »
I have always found Mr. Kendrick most readable of all the various advocates of the equally various claimants.  Although I do not agree with his conclusions/arguments I give him admirable credit for his [almost] convincing presentations. I also welcome him and only wonder- what took you so long ?!
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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2005, 06:50:38 AM »
That said -- I should be interested to hear Mr. Kendrick's reaction to the rebuttals made here to his article in the American Journal of Hematology, by qualified medical specialists who are well acquainted with what thrombocytopenia really does to an infant or young child as opposed to what hemophilia really did to the Tsarevich.  To back reference from an end-stage cancer of the blood to the anecdotally well-documented coagulation disorder shown by Alexei and other members of his family tree, based on the back-referencing complexes of an elderly man faced with a disease tragic in itself, stems not from science but sympathy for a hometown eccentric and his grieving widow.  He may have done his bit in World War II on the side of the Axis powers.  He may have been shrewd and multi talented.   He may have had a knack for not taking himself too seriously and putting on an amusing charade that charmed his friends and fooled the royals on one occasion.  Only please stop calling him the Tsarevich Alexei; there is no basis for doing so other than the story the man made up and the woman perpetuates.

It's past time for Mrs. Tammet to pay for the DNA tests if she wants closure.  But perhaps she realizes that will only reveal the truth and end all this.  Wouldn't she feel better admitting that her husband coped with his own disease by telling some very amusing tall tales of being Prince Alexei of Russia, and was so charming about it that he even got royalty to humour him?  
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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2005, 10:13:31 AM »
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That said -- I should be interested to hear Mr. Kendrick's reaction to the rebuttals made here to his article in the American Journal of Hematology, by qualified medical specialists who are well acquainted with what thrombocytopenia really does to an infant or young child as opposed to what hemophilia really did to the Tsarevich.  To back reference from an end-stage cancer of the blood to the anecdotally well-documented coagulation disorder shown by Alexei and other members of his family tree, based on the back-referencing complexes of an elderly man faced with a disease tragic in itself, stems not from science but sympathy for a hometown eccentric and his grieving widow.  He may have done his bit in World War II on the side of the Axis powers.  He may have been shrewd and multi talented.   He may have had a knack for not taking himself too seriously and putting on an amusing charade that charmed his friends and fooled the royals on one occasion.  Only please stop calling him the Tsarevich Alexei; there is no basis for doing so other than the story the man made up and the woman perpetuates.

It's past time for Mrs. Tammet to pay for the DNA tests if she wants closure.  But perhaps she realizes that will only reveal the truth and end all this.  Wouldn't she feel better admitting that her husband coped with his own disease by telling some very amusing tall tales of being Prince Alexei of Russia, and was so charming about it that he even got royalty to humour him?  


Mrs. Tammet is on the contrary not obliged to pay for tests. Firstly, she was cooperative with the investigators in the original tests done in the UK in supplying samples from her husbands. All she asked for was the results. More than a decade later, she still has none.

Secondly, an offer has been made to do tests for her. She thus far has not accepted this offer and as I stated earlier on this topic, I can understand why. She does not have an unlimited supply of samples. I would love to decide this matter one way or the other, but apparently if we cannot get the first team of scientists' help, this is not going to happen.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2005, 10:49:33 PM »
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That said -- I should be interested to hear Mr. Kendrick's reaction to the rebuttals made here to his article in the American Journal of Hematology,


Okay then.... Let's deal with this...

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by qualified medical specialists who are well acquainted with what thrombocytopenia really does to an infant or young child as opposed to what hemophilia really did to the Tsarevich.
 

What qualified "medical specialists" ?  Have you ever actually read my paper in the American Journal of Hematology (AJH), or are you simply passing judgement on the basis of a few scant details that you've managed to find elsewhere on the Internet?  In the past eight months since its publication just one day before the Tsarevich Alexei's 100th birthday last August, there have been no challenges at all by any of the regular readers of the AJH, all of whom are medical professionals with far more knowledge in the fields of haematology and oncology than most if not all of the members who post to this board.

Given that your alleged "rebuttal" has been based entirely on the same mistake in understanding that was made by Staff Writer Galina Stolyarova in the St. Petersburg Times "Top Story" of last August 13th, 2004, it is perfectly reasonable to conclude that you don't know any more about the actual content of that same September 2004 AJH paper than the very few words that you've read in the abstract.

Do not just assume that the single biggest word in that particular medical paper is all there is to it.  Thrombocytopenia by itself is not the cause.  Thrombocytopenia is only just one of a number of symptoms of a very much greater underlying medical condition.  If you actually did read that entire AJH paper from beginning to end, then surely as God made little green apples, you would undoubtedly be complaining about a great deal more than just that one single word.

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To back reference from an end-stage cancer of the blood to the anecdotally well-documented coagulation disorder shown by Alexei and other members of his family tree, based on the back-referencing complexes of an elderly man faced with a disease tragic in itself, stems not from science but sympathy for a hometown eccentric and his grieving widow.


Do not presume to know how the research was done.  Do not presume to know the history and character of any of the key players in a case that you know nothing about, outside of the few small pieces of information that you may have picked up on the Internet.

If you are truly serious about making a rebuttal, then do the medical and historical research, write your own medical paper, and submit it to the journal of your choice...just as I have done.  I'm curious to know just how long it will take you to pass the peer review process.  If you're very lucky, you might manage to see your work reach publication in about one and a half to two years time, at the earliest.

Start with a clean sheet.  First do an in-depth study of every possible haematological disorder known to modern medical science.. and not just that one single X-linked recessive disorder that you so religiously favour.  Put aside the popular haemophilia legend for just a moment, if you can, and then pick out every single piece of evidence in Alexei's history that even remotely resembles a symptom... even in those cases when he had apparently injured himself and should have produced evidence of haemorrhage but never did.

Take every single one of those symptoms that you've found and apply them to all of that new information you've now learned about all of the nearly 200 possible blood disorders that are fully capable of producing the same sort of evidence of haemorrhage that is seen in Alexei's case history... and come up with your own completely independent diagnosis.  Then write your own medical paper and submit it to peer review.

There's just one catch.  You must provide a medically acceptable explanation for Alexei's most famous sudden recovery at Spala.  You are not allowed to attribute spontaneous recovery from near-death haemorrhage to mystics or spoon benders.   Crediting Rasputin with sending miracle get-well telegrams may well have worked for the violent Revolutionaries who needed a convenient scapegoat to justify their actions, but that sort of explanation has no place at all in 21st century medicine.  

Your research is guaranteed to run into serious trouble right from the outset, because spontaneous recovery is *not* known to occur in cases of an X-linked clotting factor deficiency.   The only medically acceptable explanation in modern haematology for a sudden recovery from near-fatal haemorrhage of the type that was seen at Spala is the same explanation that you have so vehemently opposed, so you'll need to come up with an entirely new explanation for spontaneous recovery that today's haematologists still don't know about.

Sorry to be such a nuisance... but...

Now that a new diagnosis that explains Alexei's recovery at Spala, debunks the Rasputin legend, and points directly to the medical evidence in the Tammet case has been accepted and approved for publication by peer review, has been deemed to be medically sound, and is now a matter of public record in the archives of the National Library of Medicine....

You're pretty much stuck with it.

JK

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2005, 11:12:46 PM »
Only one thing is going to prove these hypotheses you feel have been accepted by the medical community simply because they have appeared in the 'Historical Perspectives' section - rather than the serious clinical matter most useful to practicing physicians - of a medical journal (though no one has refuted them in print yet).  Mrs. Sandra Tammet will simply have to do what Oleg Filatov and the supporters of Anna Anderson did in order to get the DNA tested and to settle the matter once and for all.  One cannot expect to have had these tests done at no charge by cash-strapped Russian researchers simply because of a cattle call for all DNA from claimants made at a singularly opportune time.   The question is, is it worth it to her to pay for the testing like the Filatovs and the Anderson supporters did?   Or perhaps, was this article of yours meant to force the hands of others intrigued by the question?

Mr. Tammet may have suffered a great deal from a terrible end-stage disease homologous to that of a prince.  His symptomology, though interesting, is not proof in itself that he was that prince.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2005, 01:00:44 AM »
This is intrigiing and I would like to read more of JK's work. It seems highly probably to me that what we called the plague several centuries ago, we now know to be the flu. Before anyone jumps here, I just mean that we know a lot more medically today than they did 100 years ago. So I don't have a problem accepting another diagnosis for Alexie's blood disorder.
It is true that the only way we will ever know for sure is with DNA testing. Short of that, my mind is open.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2005, 08:18:19 PM »
The only thing that will help here is DNA testing, which isn't likely to happen from what I gather. Since there is no throne, he would be heir of nothing. Like the old Seals & Crofts song "King of Nothing."
It is true he would have been aware of the equal marriage rules. But if he did survive, he probably realized it wouldn't matter. He might as well marry for love because he could not have returned to Russia.
Lisa, I applaud your efforts to try to have DNA testing done and wish it would have been, but I can't say I blame his widow.

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2005, 12:51:28 PM »
Right

The only way to KNOW if he was or not Aleksey is to do a DNA test... either on his "samples" or on one of his children.


Now, Alekseovich, I hope you can find closure, wether he was your father or not... I believe him being or not Aleksey is really not important to your case, what matters to you it to find out where you came from...


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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2005, 01:30:23 PM »
First time I've read this thread; 'tis interesting. Thanks all. :)

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Re: The Heino Tammet case
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2005, 07:05:35 PM »
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Ok i don't realy think that Alexei survived and that the Tannet guy is him! But alot of my friends think its him! I've noticed in the coomparason picture on the main paige Heino Tammet doese resemble some features of Alexei's, but thats only from one picture!

Doese any one els think that? ???


Well...they were both white guys...I rather look like AF...I should put in a claim....and no...I won't give any DNA tests....