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Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« on: July 05, 2006, 11:13:58 PM »
Last week the TV and papers were all buzzing with the event in Russia of President Putin kissing the stomach of a little boy.

Is this a Russian custom?  What meaning, if any, does it have? Does anyone know the reason he did this in public?

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2006, 12:34:19 AM »
"hope of Russia" is what I heard.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2006, 01:33:25 AM »
Now that is something new...and rather peculiar at that! :-?

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2006, 12:57:05 PM »
Situation? Context?

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2006, 07:04:38 PM »





     Mr Putin described the boy as "very sweet"
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has said his controversial kissing of a boy on the stomach was just a spontaneous gesture of affection.

Mr Putin came across Nikita, five, in the Kremlin last week, lifted up his T-shirt and suddenly kissed him.

"He seemed very independent and serious... I wanted to cuddle him like a kitten and it came out in this gesture. He seemed so nice," he said.

The kiss - shown on Russian television - triggered huge public interest.

"There is nothing behind it", Mr Putin told the BBC in a live webcast on Thursday, explaining that the encounter on 28 June was quite spontaneous.


Nikita was among a group of tourists visiting the Kremlin.

The kiss triggered intense speculation in the Russian and foreign media, with questions being raised about the president's motivation.

More than 11,000 people asked Mr Putin to explain what prompted his act during the webcast organised by the BBC and Russia's Yandex website.

Russia's Izvestia newspaper, which later found Nikita, reported that he had refused to wash after the kiss.

"I just liked him [Mr Putin] and he liked me very much. I want to be president myself," the boy was quoted by the daily as saying.

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2006, 12:01:30 PM »







To Putin, a belly kiss is just . . . a belly kiss
In an on-line chat before G8 summit, Russian President answers questions on peculiar incident

GRAEME SMITH

MOSCOW -- Vladimir Putin declined to talk about warrior robots and a mythical octopus, but he did attempt to answer the most popular question posed by Russian Internet users during an on-line chat: "What did you achieve by kissing the little boy Nikita on the stomach?"

The question, posed during a two-hour BBC broadcast yesterday in which Mr. Putin answered questions from the public, was inspired by an unusual incident last week in which the President kissed a boy's belly.

As part of Mr. Putin's attempt to soften his image ahead of the upcoming Group of Eight meetings, he recently hired expensive New York-based image consultants who persuaded the Kremlin to make the President available for a series of television appearances.

The first of these broadcasts was the forum hosted by the BBC and Russia's biggest Internet portal, Yandex. The show generally stuck to serious issues such as North Korea, Iran and Russia's relations with the West.

But none of those issues were as popular as the boy-kissing question, which attracted more than 11,000 votes on the Yandex site.

Unlike some other popular requests for comment -- about Cthulhu, a fictional octopus invented by the novelist H. P. Lovecraft, or the likelihood that Russia might employ "giant, humanoid war robots" to defend itself -- the question didn't come entirely out of the blue.

Russian blogs and Internet message boards have been awash with chatter since June 28, when Channel One, Russia's largest broadcaster, showed Mr. Putin strolling past the golden domes and white stone of an Orthodox church inside the Kremlin grounds.

The President paused at a gaggle of tourists, and he seemed struck by the presence of a shy boy.

He grasped the fair-haired child by the arm, squatted in front of him, and asked his name.

"Nikita," the boy answered.

Without further conversation, Mr. Putin quickly pulled up the boy's white tank-top and planted a kiss on his belly. Then he stood up, and brusquely walked away.

Russians are more likely than Westerners to express affection with kisses, but even by local standards the kiss was seen as overly familiar.

The phrase "Putin kissed a boy" became the top-ranked search item on Yandex the following day, and one blogger suggested the President might have been drunk.

Others speculated that it was a misguided attempt by Mr. Putin to make a tender gesture, after years of being caricatured in the media as a cold, disciplined former spy.

Mr. Putin seemed pleased to recount the story.

"You know, there was a chance meeting in the Kremlin, in the square," he said. "People came up, I started to talk to them. Among them, this little boy, Nikita.

"He seemed sort of a boy all his own, very serious. And at the same time, a kid, you know, unprotected, defenseless. A very sweet child, really, a very smart kid.

"I tell you honestly, I just wanted to touch him like a kitten and that desire of mine ended in that act. There was really nothing behind it."

The kiss got little attention in the Russian media, which is largely controlled by the state.

But the Izvestia daily newspaper found the boy and identified him as five-year-old Nikita Konkin, who reportedly refused to wash after the kiss.

"I just liked him and he liked me very much," Nikita told the newspaper. "I want to be president myself."

Besides his talk about meeting Nikita, few of Mr. Putin's responses strayed from his previous statements.

He reiterated his defence of Russia's energy policy, dismissing concerns about last winter's gas dispute with Ukraine as "hysteria" and adding that the Kremlin does not use oil and gas as political weapons.

"We now work on market principles, purely and solely," he said.

On the subject of North Korea, Mr. Putin said he's concerned about the recent missile tests but there is no need for alarm because the North Koreans still don't have the technology to strike thousands of kilometres away.

"When the means of delivery comes, the problem deepens," he said.

Mr. Putin also described his friendship with U.S. President George W. Bush, after harsh criticism from the United States about Russia sliding back into authoritarianism.

On that front, he gave a lengthy defence of media freedom in Russia and claimed that too many media outlets exist in the country for censorship to be a practical possibility.

He defended the right of separatists in Georgia to struggle for self-determination, but also dismissed the legitimacy of separatists in Chechnya. "In the modern context, no armed struggle against any constitutional establishment can be justified," he said.

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2006, 12:57:08 PM »
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The kiss got little attention in the Russian media, which is largely controlled by the state.
It is not the truth. It was “news of day”.

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2006, 01:04:10 PM »
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He reiterated his defence of Russia's energy policy, dismissing concerns about last winter's gas dispute with Ukraine as "hysteria" and adding that the Kremlin does not use oil and gas as political weapons.
It is interesting to read the full version:
BRIDGET KENDALL: The next theme is the top subject at the G8 summit in St Petersburg - energy security. Many people in Europe seem very worried about security of supplies from Russia especially after Russian gas was cut off to Ukraine in January of this year. And actually many questions have come in to our site right now on this very topic. Tom McLachlan in London asked: would there ever be a situation where Russia would use its political power to shut off the gas supplies to Western Europe?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Can I ask you a question? How much is your necklace? Approximately.
BRIDGET KENDALL: That's a very unexpected question.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Well you've asked me an unexpected question.
BRIDGET KENDALL: It would be very interesting if a thief overheard our conversation.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: I can assure you that thieves can already tell such things. So you can tell me approximately how much.
BRIDGET KENDALL: I am happy to say that it cost several hundred pounds.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Excellent, very good. Would you sell it to me for five kopecks or for one ruble? I don't think you would agree - right?
BRIDGET KENDALL: Well as you're the President of Russia, perhaps I would make an exception.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Maybe to the President of Russia in order to stress the closeness of relations between Russia and Britain. But you wouldn’t give it to the man on the street for nothing. My point is, why should Russia give away its property and natural resources for peanuts to its international partners?
For fifteen years Russia has been supplying its neighbours with gas at prices that were well below market prices. For fifteen years we've been in fact helping our neighbours to the tune of three to five billion dollars per year.
We've been talking to our partners, including in Ukraine, each year about the fact that we must change to market principles. At the beginning of last year we reached this agreement with President Yushchenko. In practice, the discussion was held at his initiative. Unfortunately, as it came to real things we were not able to reach an adequate solution and we were forced to suspend deliveries - not to western Europe mind you - but to Ukraine. And our Ukrainian partners perfectly understood what consequences this could have. And we did not limit the quantity of our supplies that were meant for European consumers, but our Ukrainian partners started to illegally tap into the supplies that were meant for western Europe.


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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2006, 01:09:58 PM »
Although a bit bizarre, especially coming from someone not known to be overly emotional in either rhetoric or actions, it seems a pretty straighfowardly innocent gesture. Russians love kids. They are notorious for their sentimentality towards kids.  All I am getting [reaction] from my Russian friends is "why are you so interested? he is not Michael Jackson"
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Janet_W.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2006, 01:41:45 PM »
The problem with this sort of thing is that it begs a lot of questions, one of the more obvious being, "What OTHER sort of impulsive and unconventional behaviors should we brace ourselves against regarding this person?"  A pat on the shoulder and/or a handshake would have been better, or--considering the child's size and age--Putin could have picked him up, hugged him, and perhaps kissed him on the cheek before setting him down.

We all do things we later wish we hadn't. But usually you and I aren't under the scrutiny of the world. So in all fairness, I suppose we should cut Putin some slack on this issue.

On the other hand, if I was in the position of coaching anyone about to meet Putin, I'd definitely recommend that everyone firmly tuck in their shirts! ;^)

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2006, 01:49:22 PM »
Oh, what the hey...although highly unlikely, I'd let him kiss my tummy ! [TampaBay Trainwreck, get in line!]

Janet_W.

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2006, 02:41:46 PM »
Okay, Robert, but I think Opus the Penguin is in front of us all!

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2006, 03:02:03 PM »
I do not think this was a "photo-op" in the Western sense of politician-kissing-baby nonsense we see so much of.  Just a sponteneous action.
 And I forgot about Opus..... rats, end of the line, again.
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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2006, 07:01:43 PM »



I guess the kiss was in the idea of baby kissing which is common  among the political types.  This is what Robert feels is the case.

I suppose it was just a strange and awkward way to express it.

Maybe next time Putin will try for a younger 'baby'.

Also he might try for the cheek and not the belly.  ::)  This was as Janet stated.

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Re: Putin Kisses Boys' Stomach.  Why?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2006, 07:58:34 PM »
I would have expected the 'three kisses'.  But I could be wrong.  Aren't they only presented during the Orthodox Easter?  Y'know, Kristos Voskres :-/