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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #210 on: September 21, 2007, 09:31:04 PM »
Bear,

To be of any use, do this. Go buy two pork rib slabs, to approximate smaller bones, two beef rib slabs to appoximate larger bones and two beef leg bones.  Take about 1/3 cord wood in your fire place, put the meat on the wood, douse with fire starter and burn. Dig a hole in your yard, put all the remains and ash in it. water it almost daily and let us know what you find in about six months.

A picnic for the local racoons!


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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #211 on: September 22, 2007, 05:05:12 AM »
When's the BBQ AGR Bear? Can anybody come?

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« Reply #212 on: September 22, 2007, 05:47:00 AM »
AGRBear, I find your posts describing your experiments irresistible. It's delightful to find someone with an enquiring mind. If you are serious  -  and I don't see why you should be put to so much expense  -  then do tell us all about it. But be sure to list all your sources  -  including the quality of the gasoline you use, the wind direction, temperature  -  and if the quality of the acid matched that available to the Russians in Ekaterinburg in 1918. For this you will need to contact Japanese manufacturers, industrial historians etc. etc. before you are taken seriously by the powers that be.

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« Reply #213 on: September 22, 2007, 09:18:15 AM »
How very appropriate to use pigs as a substitute for human bodies. Just like in Snow White when the hunter used a pig's heart to substitute for Snow White since he didn't have the heart to kill her. When she came back to life, I bet everyone thought she must have been a claimant and denied her true identity.

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« Reply #214 on: September 22, 2007, 10:19:10 AM »
I sure wouldn't want to be the next door neighbour if two large pigs are going to be cremated with gasoline and all the rest nearby. It sounds utterly frightful and rather bizarre to say the least. Far better to put them on a spit and invite the family for roast pork and apple sauce with some nice salads AGR Bear. You might even be able to import some wines from the Massandra vineyards in the Crimea that the Romanovs once controlled. That would be a truly imperial feast. After all why waste two good pigs?

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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #215 on: September 22, 2007, 11:03:15 AM »
Spannferkel!! Yummy!

Now that is the best suggestion I have heard for a long time.

Mind you, I assume there must be laws and by-laws and such-like that prohibit such activities in the average garden because, as Dmitri stated, it could be quite trying for the neighbours.

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« Reply #216 on: September 22, 2007, 11:05:11 AM »
Mmm, you're all making me hungry. Luckily my next door neighbor, who is not bear, is grilling ribs tonight and we're all invited!

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« Reply #217 on: September 22, 2007, 11:17:28 AM »
Don't make me jealous...I have to work tonight. (Perhaps I should change my name from Greenowl to Night owl...it might be more appropriate).

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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #218 on: September 23, 2007, 12:59:19 PM »
Back to the purose of this thread.

Here are some questions we know that are being asked.

The Senior Procurator, Vladimir Soloviev has announced that the following scientific examinations will take place on the 2007 Ekaterinburg excavation remains by the Team of 12 Experts:

Firstly, the anthropological and stomatological expertizing will take place.

Followed up by the Criminalistic evaluation of:

1. the bullets,
2. the cloth fragments.

3. Compare these objects with those found in 1991.

4. Examine the charred fragments of wood from the fire.

Initial questions which the experts will evaluate will be:

1. How many individuals?
2. The sex?
3. The age?
4. Are there any traces of injury to the bones? -> If there are, what is the source of the injury(ies)? type of injury(ies)?
                                                                  -> Was(were) the injury(ies) sustained during life or postmortem?

The next phase of the Soloviev Inquiry will be genetic profiling.

A direct comparison will be made using the 2007 bone samples with the DNA profiles from the 1991 bone samples.

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If anyone has any of their own questions but are afraid they might be rediculed,  just PM me,  as you can see,  Bear's  skin is thick and  can take the sting of redicule and rejection,  because I am, afterall,  just tryng to discover the truth of  what is, the possibilites, what is past the  "dead end"  zone, and  the highly unlikely, which is next to THE impossible stuff...   

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PS  The PARTY was great but no one came early enough to helped us  gather  all the wood needed  for the roasting which we did  in a pit  (under the ground and covered with palm leaves)  like they do in Hawaii.  [Here is another way. See the following web site: http://cuban-christmas.com/pigroast.html]. The results:  Deliciously  good....  And, yes, there was plenty of honey and real butter  for the freshly baked bread and....  Well,  you had to have been here.   Maybe, next time all  you can come to Bear's Party. :)

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« Reply #219 on: September 23, 2007, 02:14:53 PM »
I return.

So...it would appear I missed a lot.  There was nowhere more appropriate for me to post this, but if someone could just sum all this up for me (I've been gone for months and months) I'd be eternally grateful...if I'd been here when the news broke, I might have been able to keep up, but now there's so much information to sort through.

I suppose at the moment, though, my main question is simply "are they sure?", but it's probably been answered already.

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« Reply #220 on: September 23, 2007, 02:36:11 PM »
I return.

So...it would appear I missed a lot.  There was nowhere more appropriate for me to post this, but if someone could just sum all this up for me (I've been gone for months and months) I'd be eternally grateful...if I'd been here when the news broke, I might have been able to keep up, but now there's so much information to sort through.

I suppose at the moment, though, my main question is simply "are they sure?", but it's probably been answered already.

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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #221 on: September 24, 2007, 02:20:30 PM »


Since the buriel in 1918  and the discovery and diggings  were both in July,  this gives us a good idea what it was like for the soldiers to be digging the original two pits in which to bury the two adult size bodies.

As you can see,  the men are wearing boots in the mucky soil and notice that there is water in the pit dug and this is after a trench was dug to  send the surface water off in a different direction.

I believe they are measuing the depth (surface to first bone) found in the one pit.

This photo is, also, from Belochka who so generously has posted it on another thread.

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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #222 on: September 24, 2007, 02:48:00 PM »
20 June/ 3 July
Alexander's Diary:

>>...In the night srong rain & thunderstorm.

 A LIFELONG PASSION  collecttion by Maylunas and Mionenko

In FALL OF THE ROMANOVS by Steinberg & Khustalev

p. 334

29 June/12 July

Alexandra wrote:
>..in the afternoon ther were severl showers & short thunderstorms.<<

30 June /13 July
>>Rianed in the night.<<

3 July/16 July

When Alexandra went to bed it was 15 degree  which is 59 degree F.

The roads and woods would have been damp and muddy in spots, also, chilly.

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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #223 on: September 24, 2007, 03:36:37 PM »
Alexandra did not use Celsius temperature thermometers. She used REAUMUR thermometers.  We know they used this system because several Reaumur scale thermometers were found left behind in the Ipatiev House
(see the list of items from the Sokolov report on the main APTM site, "286. A Reaumur thermometer on a metal mounting"
"335. A Reaumur thermometer").

15 Reaumur = 66 degrees Farenheit = 19 Celsius.  It wasn't chilly at all. 66 degrees late at night is comfortably cool.

(see : http://www.csgnetwork.com/tempconv.html)
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Re: Pig's Meadow - The graves - The evidence
« Reply #224 on: September 24, 2007, 04:22:27 PM »
Thanks FA! That is absolutely fascinating information. I had no idea! It just goes to show that you really do learn something new every day. Actually in my humble opinion (and based on western and central European criteria) 19 degrees Celsius is fairly mild for night time, even in July. Thus while it was not clammy or oppressive it could hardly be described as "cool"