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Offline BobAtchison

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2004, 11:54:44 AM »
From translations of Nicholas's diary he says in is in platonic love with MK.  Perhaps there are other references that use the work for sexual, erotic love, but I was told by GARF that there aren't any they have found.

I agree with the earlier posting that she may be exaggerated her relationship with Nicholas.

I find it inconceivable that Nicholas would have risked any pregnancy with any woman other than his wife before he had an heir.  Perhaps the and MK did other things - I don't know.

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2004, 12:20:12 PM »
I was always under the impression that it was a courtly love affair...Rather a charming novelty in these days!
(Oooopps! Now I sound old, bitter and miserable! LOL)
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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2004, 09:20:25 PM »
Interesting posts here  ;)
I was going to comment on weither Nicholas had any sexual contact with anyone but Alix, because I believe that there was a point where NII had MK do like a bellydance striptease. But when I checked my sources, it was quote on page 21 of Nicholas & Alexandra (by Massie) in the paperback version that he did see bellydancers striptease, but it was not MK.

Here is the quote:
"Russians become increasingly interested in the local bellydancers. "Nothing worth talking about," Nicholas wrote after watching his first performance. But the following night: "The time was much better. They undressed themselves"

Men... ;D

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2004, 01:50:07 PM »
Annie, back to your original question about pictures of Mathilde with Sergei or Nicholas. I have her memoirs, and was hoping there may be a picture like that there, but it didn't have any of her and Nicholas. There is a group picture with both Mathilde and Sergei present, and there are a few with Andrei. There a few others that may be interest.







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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2004, 07:27:05 PM »
Thank Helen_azar for the cool pictures. :)



Vova and his mother 1914-5 ?

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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2004, 07:17:36 PM »
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Thank Helen_azar for the cool pictures. :)



My pleasure, Mandie  :)

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2004, 09:18:51 AM »
I was taking a look at Rosemary and Donald Crawford's book 'Michael and Natasha' in order to find something else and came across the following on p11.
'Dina was entitled , of course, to insist on nothing less than marriage.  Nevertheless, to be the mistress of a Grand Duke was not necessarily the worst that could befall a woman.  And for those in doubt, there was the brilliant example of the prima ballerina assoluta Mathilde Kschessinska.  Over the past seventeen years she had been mistress successively to three Grand Dukes, beginning in 1890 with Michael's brother Nicholas, then Tsarevich.  Nicholas was twenty-two and the tiny Kschessinska just eighteen.  After two years together, they set up home in St Petersburg, at 18 English Prospekt, Nicholas renting in her name the two storey house then owned by the composer Rimsky-Korsakov; and it was there that they spent much of their time together, leading 'a quiet retiring life' as Kschessinska would recall afterwards.
But in real life a swan can never be turned into a princess, and in 1894 Nicholas became engaged to Princess Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt and a miserable Kschessinska had to accept the inevitable.  In his farewell letter to her, Nicholas wrote: 'Whatever happens to my life my days spent with you will ever remain the happiest memories of my youth.'  As consolation, Nicholas also bought from Rimsky-Korsakov the house on English Prospekt and gave it to Kschessinska as his parting gift.
Kschessinska's other consolation was then to become mistress to Grand Duke Serge Mikhailovich, who kept her for the next eight years, before losing her to the boyish Grand Duke Andrew Vladimirovich, seven years younger than Kschessinska.  Showered with jewels by all three imperial lovers, and bought houses by each, Kschessinske proved that the role of mistress had its compensations for those who remembered that the bedchamber was not the route to the bridal chamber.'
Fact or fiction?
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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2004, 12:36:22 PM »
Mathilde was quite shrewd.  She knew how to juggle her sugar daddies and keep em' interested.  She must have had something  ;) that kept em' coming.

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2004, 05:59:43 PM »
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Mathilde was quite shrewd.  She knew how to juggle her sugar daddies and keep em' interested.  She must have had something  ;) that kept em' coming.


You're quite right Robert.  My guess is it wasn't her dancing either!
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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2005, 11:52:30 AM »
Mathilde seems to have kept her influence right to the end.
Paleologue recalls walking with the British Ambassador past her house in St.Petersburg in the depth of the 1917 winter when the weather was minus35. Buchanan had been unable to get his hands on any coal to heat the Embassy and they were both surprised to see 4 military trucks unloading coal into Kchechinskaya's house.

Paloelogue also says that once the revolution had started hers was on of the first houses to get sacked "from top to bottom".

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2005, 03:09:09 PM »
So.. what happened to her during/after the revolution?

I belieeve I read osmewhere she lived in exile... but I am not at all sure about this.

What about her houses??? Her jewels??

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« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2005, 01:16:31 PM »
LaMaska, I too am interested in Mathilde Kschessinska in a really big way.  Felix just lent me his IMPERIAL DANCER by Coryne Hall and if you have the chance to read this I know you would enjoy it. It will give you all of the information you are asking for.
The only problem with some books is you just feel like you can't believe all that they say.....or you find mistakes, and this is one of them.
But I have a question for the historians in the house, Bob or Rob?  In the picture section of this book it shows the house Nicholas II gave to MK (very changed, after WWII)   and then it shows a picture of the house that everyone seems to think that NII gave to her, with the big front glass garden and the balcony Lenin talked from, BUT it states that it was given to her by GD Sergei and built to her order,etc....after the turn of the century.  
Are we really talking about 2 seperate houses here and does anyone have pictures of them both??  I would really like to know.
Many thanks,
..Arleen  

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2005, 07:32:35 PM »
Bob I notice you are online tonight....would you please tell us what you know about MK's palace.  Did she have 1 or 2 of her own (tho given to her by Nicholas II and/or Grand Dukes) and if she did have 2 of them, which one is in the famous picture we have of the house with the balcony Lenin spoke from.
Oh heck, just tell us what you know about her housing situation, PLEASE!
You are my final authority on everything....
..Arleen

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2005, 05:05:22 AM »
In response to the Paleologue memoir, I think you will find  Lenin appropriated Mathilde's house.   The four military lorries carrying coal were most probably destined not to warm Mathilde, but to warm the Bolshevik occupants.  

While the rest of Russia shivered and perished, the Bolshevik leadership looked after themselves.  

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Re: Mathilde Kschessinska (1872 - 1971)
« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2005, 03:07:03 PM »
Tsaria, No one seemed to understand either of our last posts.

Does anyone have a current picture of either of MK's palaces??  Or floorplans, or ANY kind of information about them.

Many thanks,
..Arleen