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Arleen_Ristau

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« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2005, 02:19:16 PM »
Joanna, As always you come thru!!  The history of Strelna was interesting to me, besides the MK info.  I would certainly love to see the documents that GARF is now holding on MK and GD AV, I wonder if anyone will ever write a book useing them....wouldn't that be good??
My basic question stems from the two pictures of MK palaces in the "Imperial Dancer" book.  The author states that one of them was the gift of Nicholas II and the other the gift of GD A/S.  I merely wondered which picture was which......
What a fabulous picture you provided of MK's palace Joanna.....do you know if that one is the gift from Nicholas II?
Many thanks for answering!!
..Arleen

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« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2005, 03:37:10 PM »
Hi Arleen,

The photo of the house in St. Petersburg which Joanna provided is on Kronversky Prospekt nr 1. Mathilde bought plots to build this house 1904/05. Guess who payed the bills. She wanted a bigger house after the birth of her son.
The house on English Prospekt nr 18 was Nicholas gift to Mathilde and was sold to Prince Alexander Romanovsky Duke of Leuchtenberg.
The Dacha at Strelna was a present from Grand Duke Sergei Michaelovich.

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My guestion: It seems Mathilde wrote anonymous letters to Alix after her betrothal to Nicholas  to prevent te wedding. Just rumors?

Anna

Arleen_Ristau

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« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2005, 10:20:06 AM »
Anna you are a doll!  Many thanks for the info.....you have told me exactly what I wanted to know!
You know, I read in Imperial Dancer about the letters MK wrote to Alexandra too.  Its the only place that I have ever heard of them.  Maybe some of our learned friends can shed additional light on the subject.  So much in the books we read is just not true, so I try and find at least two sources for everything.....
OK, the house Nicholas bought MK....does anyone have pictures of that, maybe after the Duke of Luchtenburg bought it.
JOANNA, I bet she can find pictures of it!
Thank you so much Anna!  (It is frustrating when you can't get answers)
..Arleen

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« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2005, 06:33:53 PM »
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.  So much in the books we read is just not true, so I try and find at least two sources for everything.....


Arleen, this is so true.
In Imp. Dancer it is said Mathilde wrote one maybe more anonymous letters just after Nicky and Alix's betrothal.
This is what I found in A lifelong Passion:
Alix was at that time in Harrogate taking special baths for her health. She felt upset by the people starring at her everytime she went out.

Alix to Nicky- may 16th- Harrogate
Quote: "One obvious woman, who comes quite close too and stares; I thought perhaps it might be the mad correspondent (wife) of yours, you remember the letter at Coburg you showed me?".

What kind of letter does she mean? If Mathilde did write that letter than it wasn't to Alix but obviously to Nicky, is it? I wonder what he did against it.

Anna

Arleen_Ristau

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« Reply #64 on: June 08, 2005, 02:37:53 PM »
Anna, This is interesting to me so I got out my Lifelong Passion book to see if I could find it, but I haven't found the exact spot as yet.....maybe you could give me the page number?

Awfully mean-spirited of MK to write to Alix! Dare I say bitchie????

..Arleen

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« Reply #65 on: June 08, 2005, 02:43:34 PM »
Love it! BLESS YOU!
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« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2005, 03:19:40 AM »
Arleen, you can find the letter on page 62/63 in the book.
Let me know what you think of it ;)

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Awfully mean-spirited of MK to write to Alix! Dare I say bitchie????


Vanity thy name is woman.

Anna

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« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2005, 01:21:12 PM »
Good grief, I must have missed those references re: Matilde writing to Alix after knowing of her engagement to Nicholas.

What gall. Pregnant doggie indeed.

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« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2005, 05:30:49 PM »
Arleen,
Hope this posting from the Palaces in Petersburg thread helps give you an idea of Nicholas and Mathilde's love nest:
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The the modest two-story house at 18, Angliyskiy Prospect that was bought by the heir Nicholas for Matilda Kshesinskaya. However, she wasn't the first Romanov's ballet mistress to live there. Prior to her moving in, it belonged to prima-ballerina Anna Kuznetsova, a passion of GD Konstantin Nikolayevich who actually built the house for her.

As I've aready told BobG, I happened to be inside the house many times: it belongs to the Samoilova candy/chocolate factory (Georges Bormann prior to the revolution) where my wife used to work at a factory health clinic. The family members were allowed to come from time to time and eat as much sweets as they could. At that time nobody of the personnel seemed to know about the house's romantic past. Neither did I.

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Arleen_Ristau

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« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2005, 04:24:30 PM »
Bob G, you are wonderful to post this picture that Mike found and apparently posted some time ago, and I for one missed it.  (I usually follow Mikes posts because of all of the lovely pictures he finds....just genius I guess on his part)

I've been very ill and haven't been online for a couple of weeks....just see all I have missed.  

You have now answered all of my questions about MK's houses and I thank you very much, it was driving me nuts.  In every book that I read on the subject they always infur that the LAST MK mansion that GD Sergei/Andrei gave her is the one Nicholas gave to her which of course is not true.  

This little place....alas a candy factory now....is certainly more modest and fitting for a young boy (such as Nicholas II was) to give to his girlfriend.  How I would love to look thru it alone and soak up the vibes!!  How romantic a story.....I love it, and thanks for your kindness for the picture.

..Arleen



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« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2006, 10:47:22 AM »
Mathilde was certainly an interesting figure, who lived an interesting life, to say the least, and she played quite an important role in Russian and Romanov history. I have never read her biography, but I get the impression she was a very interesting, sophisticated woman, in the European way, who was much different than Alexandra. She was exactly the type for a fling with a young Tsarvitch before his marriage, and everyone knew that. She was a ballerina, she was European, she was sophisticated. She outlived her age, and certainly had the chance to look back on her fascinating life. Whether her and Nicholas's affair was platonic or not is hard to say, it defintely didn't involve emotion that was overly serious anyway, and Nicholas certainly never carried on with any other woman than Alexandra past his marriage. Mathilde had other things to do too, later on, although whether she was his mistress in the whole sense is hard to grasp.
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« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2006, 02:58:21 PM »
Quick question... I'm a little confused... Was it Grand Duke Andrei that built Mathilde the mansion that was later used by Lenin? Nicholas gave her the house that she later sold and Grand Duke Sergei built her a dacha in Strelna.

Is the picture of her mansion in the Palaces of St. Petersburg the one later used by Lenin?

Thanks!

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« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2006, 09:04:43 AM »
Nice photos! Are they of her playing various roles in ballets? I think she was by no means a classic beauty, but she was pretty in her own way. She was indeed Little K, as she had the small trim build of the classic ballerina. But the sparkle of her eyes is not the primness normally associated with ballerinas. ;)

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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2006, 09:28:28 AM »
Great photos! Two questions:

1. Why are some of them labeled "Kshesinskaya II"?

2. What's the significance of the cyrillic letters (Ф, Е, Б) she's posing with in the three photos in reply #82?

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« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2006, 09:57:34 AM »
Great photos! Two questions:
1. Why are some of them labeled "Kshesinskaya II"?

Kschechinskya I was her elder sister Julia, also a ballerina. ;)