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« Reply #1050 on: July 23, 2010, 07:48:34 AM »
One of the most romantic royal jewels.  ;)

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« Reply #1051 on: March 24, 2011, 03:35:26 AM »

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« Reply #1052 on: June 30, 2011, 02:06:59 PM »
I was reading today on  BBC Entertainment news that Madonna's new film on Wallis & Edward will open in December, in time for Oscar nominations. She is directing it, not starring.

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« Reply #1053 on: June 30, 2011, 02:34:00 PM »
I also read that the test screenings have not gone well and the movie needs to be re-edited. Apparently, the movie was filmed in a stylized sort of way without the benefit of dialog to explain certain things. Of course, this happens all the time in movies, but from what I read even Harvey Weinstein wasn't too pleased with the results of the test screenings.

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« Reply #1054 on: June 30, 2011, 02:48:11 PM »
I really know very little about the project I have nothing against Madonna, and even liked her EVITA, but I am not a big fan of hers.

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« Reply #1055 on: August 17, 2011, 01:11:26 PM »
sorry if there's somewhere  better i should have put this or this has previously been talked about, but i was reading in a magazine today that letters from wallis simpson to her ex husband (or the husband she was  in the process of divorcing at the time) had been unearthed, telling him that she basically regretted getting involved with the future king and that she loved him and was very lonely etc. and had got herself in too deep. I found this interesting as i'd never really thought of the story along those lines before. apparently she wanted to leave him but edward threatened to cut his throat if she did. anyone know anything more about this?

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« Reply #1056 on: August 17, 2011, 01:30:12 PM »
I think Anne Sebba discusses this in her new bio of Wallis Simpson.
At the Cheltenham Literature Festival in October, Anne Sebba and Hugo Vickers are going to give a talk on Wallis..........just booked my tickets:-)
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« Reply #1057 on: August 17, 2011, 01:34:29 PM »
yeah that name rings a bell from the article, apparently the source of the letters could not be told or something, i wondered if anyone had extracts etc?

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« Reply #1058 on: August 17, 2011, 03:40:44 PM »
None of those letters are particularly romantic, and she never writes that she doesn't love Edward or anything about being trapped into marrying him. If she did that would be the part quoted in the articles. It's all just speculation on the part of this Anne Sebba woman  (who also believes Wallis wasn't completely female) and she took bits and pieces from letters to back it up.

If there was anything really lurid or even surprising in those letters it would have gotten out long before now.

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« Reply #1059 on: August 18, 2011, 01:12:29 AM »
I think Anne Sebba discusses this in her new bio of Wallis Simpson.
At the Cheltenham Literature Festival in October, Anne Sebba and Hugo Vickers are going to give a talk on Wallis..........just booked my tickets:-)


I am SO jealous!!! The tone of these letters is really interestin because I have always maintained that this "love affair" was  totally one-sided. He was besotted and determined to have her. She was his escape-route from a throne he never wanted to occupy, so as far as that goes I don't believe her feelings mattered to him. He very effectively backed her into a corner so tight-arranging a "civilized" divorce behind her back, promising to find her wherever she tried to run to and threatening suicide-she was left with no choice, she HAD to marry him, which is rather different from saying she WANTED to. I suspect there were many occasions when she wished she was still married to Ernest.

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« Reply #1060 on: August 18, 2011, 02:17:51 AM »
I think Anne Sebba discusses this in her new bio of Wallis Simpson.
At the Cheltenham Literature Festival in October, Anne Sebba and Hugo Vickers are going to give a talk on Wallis..........just booked my tickets:-)


I am SO jealous!!! The tone of these letters is really interestin because I have always maintained that this "love affair" was  totally one-sided. He was besotted and determined to have her. She was his escape-route from a throne he never wanted to occupy, so as far as that goes I don't believe her feelings mattered to him. He very effectively backed her into a corner so tight-arranging a "civilized" divorce behind her back, promising to find her wherever she tried to run to and threatening suicide-she was left with no choice, she HAD to marry him, which is rather different from saying she WANTED to. I suspect there were many occasions when she wished she was still married to Ernest.

this is pretty much the tone that the letters gave, i wished i'd got the article now but its  at a friends house...
there's a tv show about this on one night next week i think, not sure though...

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« Reply #1061 on: August 18, 2011, 02:20:48 AM »
just found extracts from the article:

"None of this mess and awakening emptiness is my doing," she wrote.

In another letter, she proclaimed: "I miss you and worry about you. Wasn't life lovely, sweet and simple?"



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« Reply #1062 on: August 18, 2011, 04:24:37 AM »
For anyone interested, Wallis simpson: The Secret Letters is to be shown Wednesday August 24th on Channel 4 at 9pm. I shall be glued to the screen!!!!!

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« Reply #1063 on: August 18, 2011, 07:53:07 AM »
It is part of human nature to adopt one slant when addressing one person, and a different slant when addressing someone else.  These letters are basically between Wallis and her former husband, so she may have been slanting her words to reassure him, make him feel better, or to defend her decisions and actions as being "outside my control."  If letters emerged in which Wallis wrote to people other than Earnest saying the exact same sentiments, this story would have greater validity in my eyes.

But even if she was being 100% straightforward with her ex husband, it isn't that surprising that she felt somewhat trapped and handled.  It seems to me that Wallis was a lady used to being in the driver's seat, if you will.  Part of her power was her ability to manipulate the men around her to suit her.  Once he became king, Edward was no longer in control of his own role and life - the British and Commonwealth Governments were.  By extension she lost her ability to control, which to a lady like Wallis would have made the relationship no longer attractive. 

She certainly tried to exit gracefully, but it was too late.  She yes, she was trapped - but never forget it was a cage of her own making.  Perhaps not the exact cage she had imagined, but one she had participated in building by getting involved with Edward in the first place.

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« Reply #1064 on: August 18, 2011, 08:58:26 AM »
With her past record of moving about when it suited her, I have always thought that Mrs. Simpson was trapped by her own sense of self importance.

I think she liked being his mistress and the envy of all, but unless she could have been queen, I don't think she wanted to marry Edward VIII.

Once her gave up the throne for her as publicly as he did, I think she was just stuck.  Hoist by her own petard - as it were.

She may have been his way out of taking a throne he didn't want, but I do believe that he loved her.  She, I think, was an adventuress who got caught in her own webs and then was stuck in a marriage she didn't want (perhaps loveless on her part after the first blush) to a man who not only disgraced himself, but his position in the world as well.

Also remember that George V and Queen Mary were not easy parents.  His children did not have a close and easy relationship with either parent and perhaps Edward knew when it happened that Queen Mary had seen to it that George was given the drugs that killed him. 

I would think that knowing that your mother had a hand in killing your father would make you think a lot about taking over the position that your father had had.  Edward had been unsure of wanting the throne for years.  That might have just been the last straw.