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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2006, 10:17:19 PM »
Wasn't Prince Prince Michael Cantacuzene the younger, married to a relative of Mrs. Merriweather Post at one time?  You know I could have met Princess Cantacuzene when I was a teenager and lived for a summer in Washington D.C. 

I was told at the time that she still resided in the nation's capital and that she had lived into her 90's.  I remember being too scared to meet her.  Perhaps the story of Princess' longevity and residence in the city is not true.  The individual that would have arranged the meeting also said that Princess Cantacuzene had lost her sight in her late 70's but that she had regained her sight when she turned 90 and the first thing she did was to fire her extra servants.  Do you know if that story is true?

A maturnal relative of mine, by marriage, married two Russian Princes.  Prince Miskinoff; and Prince Galitzine.  I don't know that much about Prince Mikinoff, but I have learned a bit more about Prince Galitizine.  Prince Mstislav Galitzine, Count Ostermann, was born in Kiev, January 21, 1899, and died in Paris on Feb. 28, 1966.  He married my relative in Paris on Sept. 22, 1925 and they were divorced two years later.  My relative kept her title as a courtesy title for the rest of her life.  Shortly after her marriage to Prince Galitizine, she met a paternal relative of mine who was a young art student studying at the Sorbonne.  I believe he was her boy toy as she gave him his own valet and an small apt. in her three story townhouse in the Passy.  She wrote a book in the mid 1930's which I own and I believe that she passed shortly after its publication.  The same year Prince Galitizine and my relative were divorced, the Prince married Clarisse Biot on Sept. 27, 1927 in Paris.  They had a child, Princess Maria Galitizine who married Raymond Pierre Dutherque in Paris on Oct. 4, 1962.  Maria died in Paris in 1998.  My paternal relative that was the young art student lived into his late 90's and passed on at about the same time.   

In my mother's family there are other ties to titled Americans as it was so fashionable in my grandmother's era to marry abroad.  I was exposed to  many more exiled White Russians who I absolutely cherished and adored and felt this incredible affinity with.  I believe that my attraction to these titled Americans, especially those who married Russian titles, iis based on something higher that snobbery or elitism.  The attraction is something much more about a nobility of mind that I believe with all my heart was authentic to that group.  If others could have seen some of those women in my mother's family just cross a room in a dinner gown, they would know what I am talking about. 

 


 

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2006, 03:38:09 PM »
Marjorie Posts grandaughter ( a child of Adelaide Close, Mrs Post's eldest daughter)  was married to a Cantacuzene.Julia Dent Grant-Cantacuzene lived till 1975 so was 99 at the time of her death.

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2006, 05:16:31 PM »
Wow, thank you Ashdean. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2006, 01:23:31 PM »
Princess Julia Grant Cantacuzene was also a longtime friend of Canadian statesman Mackenzie King.  It appears that they may have discussed the possibility of marriage after she was divorced from the prince, but it apparently came to nothing.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/05/0532/05320113/053201130421_e.html

I also have a vague recollection of someone connected to her family committing suicide in the mid-1930's in Chicago (no, I'm not old enough to remember it; I saw the story in an old copy of Time Magazine).  It MAY have been the spouse of one of her children, but I'm not 100% sure.

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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2006, 10:06:01 PM »
How about putting the cart before the horse?  American men who married titled Russian women?  For starters:  Jerome Landfield, a New York engineer, who married Princess Louba Lobanov Rostovsky?

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2006, 10:24:04 PM »
I thought the same thing:

There is of course Princess Xenia Georgievna of Russia who married 1.) William Bateman Leeds and 2.) Herman Jud

And Sumner Moore Kirby who married as his third wife Princess Leonida Bagration.

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2006, 11:14:53 PM »
Hey thank you RogerV for more info on Princess Cantauzene..

Great idea gugussey.  I can only think of one example:

There is Princess Irina Skariatine (1) Count Keller, (2) Mr. Victor F. Blakeslee

Prince Serge Oblensky married Alice Astor.  His first marriage was to Alexander II's daughter, Princess Catherine Yourievskaya.

 

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2006, 05:09:59 PM »
Gosh darn.  Princess Josephine Wolfberg also married an American diplomat around 1905.  His name escapes me!

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2006, 09:02:17 PM »
I would like to know if Prince Michael Cantacuzene styed in USA after his divorce from Julia Grant.

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2006, 08:27:34 PM »
I would like to know if Prince Michael Cantacuzene styed in USA after his divorce from Julia Grant.

Amelia

Amelia,
Yes, he did stay in the USA where he had lived approximately half of his life when he died on April 4, 1955 in Florida. 

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,866172-2,00.html

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2006, 09:10:18 PM »
Dear RogerV,

Thank you so much for sending me the article.  I just finished reading Princess Cantacuzene two books - Revolutionary days and My life here and there.I think she is a fabulous writer and described so well the way court life was. I really enjoyed her books.

Amelia

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2006, 12:27:23 AM »
Dear RogerV,

Thank you so much for sending me the article.  I just finished reading Princess Cantacuzene two books - Revolutionary days and My life here and there.I think she is a fabulous writer and described so well the way court life was. I really enjoyed her books.

Amelia

Dear Amelia,
You're very welcome.  I read two of her books a very long time ago, and recently found that the text of one is now available online.  My assumption is that Julia became a writer to help support the family, though I may be mistaken on that.

I think that the Cantacuzenes had a much easier time of it in the USA than did other aristocratic Russian families.  Julia was not wealthy in her own right, but she had social and political connections all over the country.  I doubt that her children had much difficulty in adapting to American ways, and her husband had made several trips to the USA so he definitely had a good idea of what to expect.

However, the big question in my mind is what the family did after the publication of her last book, and why Julia divorced the prince.  I wonder if she thought she had a good shot at becoming First Lady of Canada??  The obit. states that the prince worked in banking and estate management, and I can't remember where I got this idea, but I have a vague recollection that he liked Florida because the climate was better for his old war wound (he was shot completely through the liver).

I will post any more information I can find...

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2006, 08:10:05 AM »
Dear RogerV,

I am also surprised that she divorced the prince, since according to her books it seemed that they had a good relationship.  But I must admit, she loved social life and maybe you are right, maybe she thought she could become the first lady of Canada.  But in the overall, I find her to have been a very corageous lady, to marry and go to live in such a distant Country as Russia.  I thank you in  advance for any other information you have about her.  In her book My life here and there, she says that after getting married and going to Russia, she was sick with typhoid for about a year, and that her mother travelled to St. Petersburgh to look after her - poor girl.

Amelia

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2006, 11:46:26 AM »
The two competing queens of beauty each found a Russian prince:

Helena Rubinstein m. (1937/1938) Prince Artchil Gourielli-Tchkonia (died 1955), a Georgian.

Elizabeth Arden (a Canadian, born Florence Nightingale Graham) m. (1942) Prince Michael Evlanoff (div. 13 months later).
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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2006, 04:10:07 PM »
Prince Christopher what was the Leed's family connection between your namesake, Prince Christopher of Greece and his marriage to Mrs. Leeds and Princess Xenia Georgievna of Russia who married 1.) William Bateman Leeds?  What was Mrs. Leeds connection with William Bateman Leeds?  I remember reading in some book about the connection, but I can't recall the book or the family connection. 

We should eventually organize the thread into pre and post Revolutionary marriages, but non-the-less this is totally fascinating.