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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2006, 04:36:42 PM »
Griffh,

Prince Christopher of Greece married Mrs. Nancy (Stewart) Leeds, who was created, in her own right, HRH Princess Anastasia of Greece.  Nancy's son by her previous husband, William Bateman Leeds (stepson of Prince Christopher) grew up to marry Prince Christopher's niece, Princess Xenia Georgievna of Russia, who was the daughter of Princess Marie of Greece and her first husband, Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia.  William Bateman Leeds and Princess Xenia did not have a successful marriage and divorced after a few years.  They had one daughter, Nancy Leeds Wynkoop, who died recently.

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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2006, 10:42:40 PM »
And how could we forget American southern belle Amelie Rives who married "Prince" Pierre Troubetzoy after she divorced John Chanler, an Astor.  Pierre was the illegitimate son of the Russian prince who fathered three sons with an American singer while still married to Pss. Varvara Y Troubetzkoy.  Amelie could barely wait to get "Princess" on the tea towels.

Recommended reading:   Archie and Amelie:Love and Madness in the Gilded Age.  A bit tedious despite its title but interesting in its recounting of American ladies in search of a title.

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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2006, 12:18:52 PM »
Oh, and lest we forget there are those wonderful novels by Princess Amelie Troubetzoy, such as "World's End," "The Quick or the Dead," Augustine the Man," "Ghost Garden," Shadows of Flames," and "The Queerness of Celia." 

One of my favorite scenes, set in NYC in 1914, from "World's End" is Randolph and Mary on their way to tea.

"Taxi, or hansom?" asked Randolph when at last he and Mary were in the street together.  "Oh, a hansom by all means," said Mary, "I can never get too near to a horse, as you know, and besides they're so nice and old-time-y and don't smell of gasolene--only please pick out a good horse."  They let three "Pirates" who were "cruising" the Avenue rather mournfully go by, and then Randolph lifted his stick at a cab drawn by a cocky little bay." 

..."Where are we going for our tea?" she asked him.  "Not to an ultra smart place, please.  I am so tired of Ritz Carltons and Empire frocks." 

(At the end of tea Randolph makes a pass at Mary which she skillfully manages in the following way:) 

"Then she glanced down at her watch, and sprang up quite horrified, saying that she would have only twenty minutes to dress for dinner and her gown had two tunics and a sash with fifty hooks..."   

Perhaps the Princess' talent is not extraordinary, but she does manage to capture the flavor of life among the international "smart set" of the time.   

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2006, 11:27:05 PM »
This topic is fascinating! With the attention paid primarily to the scads of American heiresses who married into the British nobility, I would never have assumed that any American women crossed the Rhine to marry into Central and Eastern European nobility. What were the social ramifications of these marriages? Why did these women marry Russians and not British aristocrats? Did the American women need to do anything special in order to marry the men(provide quarterings, enter the Russian Orthodox Church, etc)?

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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2006, 08:22:38 PM »
For many years, it was the rage for rich American girls/women, to marry into European nobility.  In most cases, the nobles were in need of money and it was often supplied by the brides' millionaire fathers.  I think the details such as religion varied from one situation to the next.  Many girls were brought up by ambitious mothers, who were always on the lookout for marriagable and titled gentlemen.  A British duke was probably the biggest prize, followed closely by any continental prince of the nobility.

As far as social ramifications, they varied as well.  Many of the marriages did end unsucessfully, but a titled marriage bought nouve riche American girls entree into continental society, which was often the goal of the girls' parents.

Money played the biggest role in these marriages, and often the women were scammed by their husbands or all of their money was squandered.   In some cases, after the money ran out, so did the husband....

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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2006, 08:39:55 PM »
From Cleveland Amory's Who Killed Society?

Here is a list of a few American heiresses, who they married, their fortune, and how they were treated by their noblemen:

Anna Gould m. Count Boni de Castellane; Fortune: $15,000,000.  The count spent her money on other women, abused and struck her.

Consuelo Vanderbilt m. Duke of Marlborough; Fortune: $15,000,000.  The duke squandered her money.

Alice Heine m. Prince of Monaco; Fortune: $10,000,000.  Her prince excluded her from state ceremonies and struck her in public.

Helen Morton m. Duc de Valeccay; Fortune: $6,000,000.  The duke insulted her immediately after the wedding and deserted her.

Alice Thaw m. Earl of Yarmouth; Fortune: $5,000,000.  The earl extorted money from her at her wedding and deserted her.

Ella Haggin m. Count Festeils de Toina; Fortune: $5,000,000.  The count took her among cannibals and left her with them.

Lilian May m. Lord Bagot; Fortune: $1,000,000.  Bagot stopped Lilian from taking her child to church.

I know these are not Russian, but they illustrate what often happened in these marriages.

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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2006, 09:31:50 PM »
If no one objects, I will post some short entries concerning titled American women, extracted from Town & Country.

De Monstiers Merinville, Marquise (Mary Caldwell), sometimes singled out as an illustration of the misfortune that comes from marriage with a foreign nobleman, has, nevertheless, been more shrewd than most frail women, and her property in Kentucky remains intact.  The Marquise and her sister, Baroness von Zeidlitz, are the heaviest taxpayers in Louisville.  Although much of her time is spent abroad, she is true to her country, and founded the Catholic University in Washington. June 18, 1904

Pignatelli de Montecalvo, Princess (Constance Wilcox) Her spring gesture is a delightful story called Such Ways Are Dangerous, which follows on the heels of her several successful books of plays.  Princess Pignatelli lives in Sutton Place, primarily because she likes the flow of river life beneath her and the lines of the Queensborough Bridge darkening against the May sky.  Deploring the segregation of ages in New York social life, she likes to entertain in the Continental manner with people of all ages coming in for tea or dinner.  May, 1939

De Chambrun, Countess Charles (Clara Longworth) is the sister of Representative Nicholas Longworth.  Her husband, Count Charles de Chambrun, a Colonel in the French army, is a great-great-grandson of Lafayette and is now stationed in Morocco.  The Countess is an author and holds a doctor's degree from the Sorbonne.  September 15, 1923


This bride almost shot too high: :)

zu Hohenlohe-Schillingfurst, Prince and Princess Alfred (Catherine Britton) "Will Catherine marry her Prince?" has been a pressing question in Washington for nearly a year and one productive of much discussion on the side as to whether the Emperor of Austria would consent and the Prince's family remove their objections.  Although the consent of the Prince's family was not forthcoming, the marriage had the sancition of the embassy, presumably by order of the new Emperor, and all went merrily.  It will be intgeresting to see the position this young couple will hold in Austria after the war, for we all know the rigid etiquette of the aristocracy of that country. January 1, 1917

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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2006, 10:07:31 PM »
A few more from Town & Country:

von Waldersee, Countess Alfred (Mary Esther Lee) was the third daughter of the late David Lee, a New York merchant.  Her first husband was Prince Frederick of Schleswig-Holstein, a brother of the Queen of Denmark, who gave up his title in order to marry and who was known as Count von Noer.  At his death eight months later, the Countess was made a Princess by the Emperor of Austria.  Eight years after the death of her first husband, the Princess married Count von Waldersee, the General who was later created Field Marshall.  July 11, 1914

Vitetti, Countess Leonardo (Nathalie Coe) is the daughter of William Robertson Coe of Oyster Bay.  Her husband, successor to Count Ciano, is the new head of the Prime Minister's Cabinet.  Countess Vitetti and Countess Ciano are great friends.  Both are in their early twenties, both fond of riding, skiing, and dancing; and they are equally allergic to bridge, the scourge of Rome.  In preparation for entertaining, the Vitettis have redecorated their Orsini Palace apartment.  April, 1937

von Bernstorff, Countess Johann (Mary Knowlton) Americans are beginning to discover the unique charms of Garmisch-Partenkirchen, the twin villages nestling in the very heart of the Bavarian Alps.  Many American-born women have homes around the picturesque Lake of Starnberg: Count Johann von Bernstorff, erstwhile German Ambassador to Washington, and the Countess, who was Mary Knowlton, of Brooklyn; Prince and Princess Karl Ysenberg (formerly Miss Bertha Lewis of Detroit), who have recently renovated a picturesque old castle; and Count Lerchenfels, former Prime Minister of Bavaria, whose wife was Miss Ethel Newman, also of Detroit.  Here, too, Mrs. Franz Hanfstaengel, of the well-known New England family of Sedgwicks, is running a model farm, and one of the show places of the region is the magnificent home owned by Consul and Mrs. Scharrer (nee Minnie Busch, of St. Louis).  September 1, 1923

De Chaulnes, Duc and Duchesse (Theodora Shonts)   Mr. and Mrs. Theodore P. Shonts have hearts almost too big for their house.  Consequently, there was a crush at the marriage of their daughter, Miss Theodora Shonts, to the Duc de Chaulnes at 123 East Thirty Fifth Street, New York.  After the ceremony, guests entered the drawing room to present themselves to the bride and the receiving party.  Waiters with trays holding glasses of the wit-inspiring beverage came out into the hallway in search of any timid guest.  In the breakfast room, the candle light shone through white shades on which the crest of the Duc de Chaulnes was worked out in blue, and even the bonbons had this crest.  February 22, 1908

It was truly the gilded age....

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2006, 02:41:32 AM »
This topic is fascinating! With the attention paid primarily to the scads of American heiresses who married into the British nobility, I would never have assumed that any American women crossed the Rhine to marry into Central and Eastern European nobility. What were the social ramifications of these marriages? Why did these women marry Russians and not British aristocrats? Did the American women need to do anything special in order to marry the men(provide quarterings, enter the Russian Orthodox Church, etc)?

Julia Grant was an exception to the usual situation where wealthy American women married into European aristocratic families and gained a title in the process.  Julia was the granddaughter of General/President Grant, and her father was a general in the US Army who had once been US Ambassador to Austria, but her family was NOT wealthy.  When a friend observed Prince Cantaczune's interest in Julia and cautioned her, she laughed it off, saying that she was too poor to be of interest to any European aristocrat.

It appears that this must have been a love match because not long after this conversation took place, Julia found herself engaged to Prince Cantaczune.  She was visiting the South of France, where he had followed her after meeting her in Italy.

In this particular case, the happy couple was married first in an Episcopal ceremony in Newport, RI, and then in an Orthodox ceremony.  I understand that this wasn't an unusual arrangement, and in some countries a third (civil) ceremony was required.

I don't know that Julia ever formally converted to Orthodoxy... this seems to have only been a major issue in very devout families.

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Re: Titled America Ladies in the Russian Court
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2006, 06:01:07 AM »
This topic is fascinating! With the attention paid primarily to the scads of American heiresses who married into the British nobility, I would never have assumed that any American women crossed the Rhine to marry into Central and Eastern European nobility. What were the social ramifications of these marriages? Why did these women marry Russians and not British aristocrats? Did the American women need to do anything special in order to marry the men(provide quarterings, enter the Russian Orthodox Church, etc)?
Gladys Vanderbilt married a Hungarian Count.....but 2 world wars brought her back to the USA where she had inherited "The Breakers" at Newport,Rhode Island from her mother the formidable Mrs Cornelius Vanderbilt (senior).

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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2006, 07:16:50 AM »
Gladys Vanderbilt married a Hungarian Count.....but 2 world wars brought her back to the USA where she had inherited "The Breakers" at Newport,Rhode Island from her mother the formidable Mrs Cornelius Vanderbilt (senior).

Gladys Vanderbilt (cousin to Consuelo, aunt to Gloria) married Count Laszlo Szechenyi.

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« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2006, 07:20:35 AM »

Julia Grant was an exception to the usual situation where wealthy American women married into European aristocratic families and gained a title in the process.  Julia was the granddaughter of General/President Grant, and her father was a general in the US Army who had once been US Ambassador to Austria, but her family was NOT wealthy. 

It appears that this must have been a love match

Yes, there were exceptions to the usual money for title marriage.  I do believe Julia's marriage was probably a love match.  Can anyone think of any others that may have been?

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« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2006, 08:12:59 AM »

Julia Grant was an exception to the usual situation where wealthy American women married into European aristocratic families and gained a title in the process.  Julia was the granddaughter of General/President Grant, and her father was a general in the US Army who had once been US Ambassador to Austria, but her family was NOT wealthy. 

It appears that this must have been a love match

Yes, there were exceptions to the usual money for title marriage.  I do believe Julia's marriage was probably a love match.  Can anyone think of any others that may have been?
Countess Lily Nostitz's marriage was no doubt a love match as she had no wealth or great social connexions....

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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2006, 03:56:41 PM »
Oh Prince Christopher thank you so much for posting more American ladies married to titled Europeans.  I am consumed with the Rasputin Trial so I have not been able to contribute any comments of late.  But I just had to say how much fun this thread is turning out to be....griff

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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2006, 07:19:21 PM »
You are welcome! :)

I will try to post more in the next few days.