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Offline Kalafrana

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« Reply #570 on: March 08, 2010, 09:55:01 AM »
Someone some years ago did trace all the living legitimate descendants of Sophia of Hanover and put them on a website. At the time they numbered about 4,000, although quite a few were excluded from the British succession by Catholicism.

I doubt if anybody is much surprised that the great majority are German.

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« Reply #571 on: March 10, 2010, 11:21:04 AM »
Yes, if I recall that Internet list was what I used as the source for my post last year - and if I remember correctly, something like half of the people were excluded by being Catholic. 

Makes me wonder - if the Catholic ban was actually eliminated someday, would they bother to make it retroactive (meaning, add back in any currently living, previously excluded Catholics) or if they'd simply start the clock with new births or conversions.  I suppose that's an academic point - since the most senior living Catholic added back into the list would be George Windsor, Earl of St. Andrews (son of the Duke of Kent) who would find himself at #25 based on today's list.  But if it was retroactive, that would keep somebody busy for a while reshuffling the list.

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« Reply #572 on: April 22, 2010, 03:07:35 PM »
I saw "The Young Victoria" last night and I quite enjoyed it. Of course it's impossible to do a film that is 100% historically accurate. Still, I thought the cast did a lovely job. I've read through this thread and I have to admit I am always disheartened when I read posts where people are making negative remarks such as they did with the photos of the Sarah Ferguson and her daughters. No one is perfect. Very few people are beautiful on the outside. Many are beautiful on the inside. Why do people put so much emphasis on looks?  I think Fergie looks great and her daughters are adorable. Why not look for the positive and keep the negative comments to yourself as they are hurtful and unnecessary.

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« Reply #573 on: April 22, 2010, 03:58:25 PM »
Much of the criticism of the York princesses has nothing to do with their looks, but rather their personal presentation and, sometimes, the standard of the people and places they associate themselves with.  They are princesses of the realm, not soap stars.  As for their 50-year-old mother, she has always shown a lack of good judgement.  It has nothing to do with their "beauty" or lack of it. 

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« Reply #574 on: April 22, 2010, 10:01:50 PM »
Hey, I just bumped into this new interview at DiscDish with Fergie on her role as producer for Young Victoria. It's from earlier this week when she was in New York.    http://tinyurl.com/y5s7uss

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« Reply #575 on: May 22, 2010, 08:57:50 PM »

Aloha from Kaua'i!

I bought the DVD and watched it last nite - it thought it was very well done in general - but afterwards, I watched some of the "deleted" scenes on the "extras" on the DVD - I realized that they had several
scenes about Lady Flora Hastings and the "scandal" in those deleted scenes - but in the actual film - it was mentioned in passing as a "scandal" - but you had absolutely no clue what they were talking about - unless you are a history
nerd about Queen Victoria like I am!! 

Also they deleted the majority of the coronation scene as well with Princess Beatrice fairly prominently featured - I think I saw her for about 1 second at the beginning of the actual film - but that was it!  The poor "expert" on protocol at coronations
spent a lot of time in the "extras" talking about how he was placing the right people at the right places at the right times for the sake of accuracy - but in the end, it really didn't matter as you saw so little of it in the movie.

Wow, so much of substance was "deleted" - I'm glad they gave us those scenes in the DVD however as "extras" - they added quite a bit to flesh out the film.

And well - what can I say about the main fictional issue - I don't quite get why that was necessary - but I'm not a filmmaker!

All in all - after all it is "historical drama" - so........great job with incredible costumes and locations!!!!   

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« Reply #576 on: May 23, 2010, 03:51:34 AM »
My first impression was that it was an interesting movie as I watched a second time, I saw it as a more superficial recanting of the facts without a lot of insight into the background.

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« Reply #577 on: May 23, 2010, 07:02:13 AM »
I am probably repeating myself here, but I found this film a huge disappointment! The sets and costumes looked wonderful, but the only thing extraordinary or memorable about this film was in fact, how terribly cumbersome and lacking in either nuance or subtlety the screenplay was!
    The entire film grated on my nerves! It looked fabulous but totally lacked any semblance of depth or texture a la 'Mrs Brown' or the wonderful miniseries 'Victoria and Albert.' For all the visual feasting that this film offered up, I was rather surprised when a Costume and Fashion historian friend of mine pointed out that even the colour of one of the gowns worn in this film would not have been available in the 1830s and 1840s! Needless to say I was rather disappointed to learn this, as the costumes and sets had gone some way to redeem this film where the absurdly heavy and onerous script and screenplay had caused me to leave the cinema after enduring a mere thirty minutes of a screening! Later, I watched this film in the privacy of my own home on a DVD and managed to get through it only because I was prepared and determined to see it through before I formed a final opinion! I loathed this film!
   Julian Fellowes proved that he can produce wonderful material as was demonstrated with his superb work on 'Gosford Park', but 'Young Victoria' appears to show Mr Fellowes using a Comic Strip style approach to his subject matter in a bid to simplify, 'sex up' and to satisfy the Hollywood producers and an audience en masse, rather than to retain his integrity and produce a crafted screenplay worthy of his talents and of the lives he was commissioned to portray! As you will see, I despised this film and was deeply disappointed by the opportunity that was missed here!

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« Reply #578 on: May 23, 2010, 11:30:20 AM »
I wasn't a fan of this film, either.  Usually I can forgive long, drawn-out films as long as they have great costumes and compelling acting.  However, in this case, there wasn't enough of a story to sustain most of the film.  Conroy is a threat... uh, until Victoria becomes Queen.  Then he just slinks away.  Victoria meets Albert a year before becoming Queen... except that she met him when they were 16, then again when they were 19, after she took the throne.  The film did not become compelling until Albert started complaining about being sidelined and, by then, it was nearly over.  A good film could have been made about their first few years of marriage, but maybe that would not have sold as well as "See Victoria before she grew old and matronly!" 

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« Reply #579 on: June 04, 2010, 09:14:01 PM »
Just bought the DVD and watched "Young Victoria." I really liked it. It piqued my husband's interest enough to ask for a book about Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.

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« Reply #580 on: September 01, 2010, 02:54:30 PM »
I thought that this film was pretty mediocre to be honest. I did get a bit obsessed with the shape of King Leopold of Belgium's head being the wrong shape and (what I thought)
was one rather over-dramatic historically-inaccurate moment (I won't spoil it for those who haven't yet seen the film) but I suppose the directors needed to put SOME drama into the real story - not the whole audience will know Victoria's story as in-depthly as me or the other people on the forums.
However, some parts were very good - costume and the ball, etc. I don't think I should have watched 'Edward VII' and 'Mrs Brown' the day before I saw it though - 13 hours of 1970s amazingness quite obviously outweighed the modern film. Oh yes, and Emily Blunt was too tall as well. Mind you, Miranda Richardson and Jim Broadbent were in it, so I can't complain too much. :-)

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« Reply #581 on: March 19, 2011, 08:57:36 PM »
Just saw "The King's Speech". I had been very hesitant, reading what a distorted view of history it gave, but curiosity finally got the better of me. While I can clearly see why it got all those Oscars, being an engaging and enjoyable drama, well written and acted, it was, as I feared, too heroïc, imperialistic and simplistic. Interesting questions I wanted debated were:
- If the virtue of hereditary monarchy is that you get a random, average person as head of state instead of a streamlined politician, why is it then impossible to accept him as a human being with normal, average impediments, e.g. stuttering? Why must he trick his subjects into believing he is flawless? Must he, born into this privileged position, endure such a struggle in order to understand the hardships most of his subjects face?
- Was stuttering more common back then compared to today, and if so, why?
- How did his stutter affect his naval career, where he ended up as an officer giving orders, didn't he?

To make it more historically accurate, i would have preferred the King's untreated stutter as a metaphore for the British establishment's indecision regarding the rise of Nazi Germany and the Appeasement Policy, instead of it all looking like everybody recognized the danger and united prepared for war. It can be seen as a major distortion of history that the RF's balcony scene with Neville Chamberlain after his return from Munich (adding legitimacy to the Munich Agreement before it was ratified by parliament!) was not included.

"The King's Speech" is very similar to how the story about George VI's aunt and cousin Maud and Carl of Denmark (royals in search of fullfillment and a country in need of royals), as outlined in the new Bomann-Larsen biography, could be presented as a fairytale with a happy ending. What Bomann-Larsen also discusses is how Norway's great contemporary playwright, Ibsen, did write a nationalist play about a struggle for the throne (Kongsemnerne, The Pretenders). But Ibsen's hero is not the hero who ends up on the throne (Håkon IV Håkonsson), but his antagonist (and father-in-law), Duke Skule Bårdsson. Ibsen did not take part in the bashing of King Oscar II and the hero-worship of Fridtjof Nansen and adulation of Håkon VII. He was much more interested in those who failed and fell from grace. As such he would have been interested in Edward VII, but a true and novel Ibsenesque royal drama involving a handicap would have been the story of "cousin Willy", who with tremendous zeal overcame his handicap in order to fullfill the image of a monarch, but still failed in the end, helping to launch a world war that cost him his throne, perhaps because he had tried a little too hard to prove himself? That would have been drama on a more interesting level than "everybody uniting against Hitler due to the monarch learning to deliver inspirational speeches and living happily ever after" and the same overused old British royal family.
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« Reply #582 on: March 31, 2011, 02:20:00 PM »
TWo more I didn't see posted here are

1.) The Young Victoria ; Good  not accurate in some aspects but shows what might have truly been an intimate side to a young passionate , TEMPERMENTAL , Hanoverian woman..  Loved it all the same.

2.)   Cromwell with Sir Alec Guiness and Richard Harris

3.)  The Last King with Rufus Sewell (this one i've found to be pretty accurate) IMO

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« Reply #583 on: March 31, 2011, 08:56:32 PM »
Hi,

"Young Bess" (1953) with Jean Simmons as a young Elizabeth I, before she is Queen.....
It is a very good film and has Stewart Granger as Thomas Seymour,  Deborah Kerr as Catherine Parr and Charles Laughton as Henry VIII.....

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« Reply #584 on: July 09, 2011, 04:16:11 PM »
It's available on Hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/the-palace

I haven't watched it yet, but it's on my list!