Your Ten Most Disliked Royals and why

[Taren]

Geez I didn't mean madness literally. I just meant the mad dash of people posting things left and right that don't really have anything to do with royals they dislike.

I'm glad you agree with the royals I dislike. Many of them are sort of a common ground for the people that post here I have noticed. No matter what everyone disagrees on, the unifying fact is that most people dislike the same royals for one reason or another.

I'd also like to add Sisi to the list. She took vanity to the extreme. If anyone has ever read a VC Andrews book, she's like one of the mothers or grandmothers that go to horrible extremes to protect her beauty. People that sit around concentrating only on how they look miss so much. When reading about Sisi I find myself going "geez, sister, why don't you get a real hobby?".

[BorbonFan]

In chronologic order:
1. Henry VIII - for generating the Anglican heresy which endangered the salvation of many souls and for killing his many wifes, all in order to satisfy his vanity of securing an heir
2. Peter "the Great"- for usurping the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church and imposing Westernizing heresies on Her
3. Catherine "the Great" - for killing her husband and usurping the Russian Throne, for supporting the anti-Christian Enlightenment principles
4. Philippe "Egalite" d'Orleans - for voting the death of the Martyr King Louis XVI, for supporting the anti-Christian Enlightenment principles
5. Napoleon - for actively promoting the anti-Christian Enlightenment values throughout Europe by means of wars, for assassinating the duke d'Enghien
6. Isabel II of Spain - for discrediting the Borbon Dynasty and the Spanish Monarchy through her many affairs with corrupt favorites
7. Carol II of Romania - for surrendering without a fight Northern Transylvania to Hungary's ultimatum and Northern Bukovina and Bessarabia to the Soviets' ultimatum in 1940 and, thus, discrediting the Romanian Monarchy
8. Michael of Romania - for surrendering Romania unconditionally to the USSR on August 23 1944 and, thus, discrediting the Romanian Monarchy
9. Princess Diana of Wales - for taking revenge on the British Royals and Monarchy for a loveless marriage she had knowingly contracted for the sake of glamor and glory, in spite of the obvious signs of Prince Charles' ongoing relationship with Camilla Parker Bowles
10. Princess Victoria Bernadotte - for usurping Prince Carl Philip's rightful position as heir and, thus, endangering the survival of the Swedish Monarchy, in order to satisfy her own vanity

God bless!
Borbon Fan

[Prince_Lieven]

Actually Diana was never 'Princess Diana of Wales' - that would indicate that she was the daughter of the Prince of Wales. She was first 'HRH The Princess of Wales' and after the divorce she was 'Diana, Princess of Wales'.

[TampaBay]

Not okay with me. Haven't you read my posts? I am totally against the equal primogeniture system.

I think you are living in the middle ages.  Therfore, what do you thinlkabout QEI and Catherine the Great of Russia?

TampaBay

Before you hurl insults, you should look up 'primogeniture' (which unlike Borbon Fan I support) and 'equal primogeniture', which means first child is heir regardless of gender. Something far too modern and wrong for me to be able to make myself support.

Did not mead to hurl an insult. 

I am a big supporter of  'equal primogeniture'. A great Monarch depends on the person not the sex of a person.  Sweeden has the right to do what it likes whith their succession laws.  I wish a Sweedish National would join in on this discussion.

TampaBay

[basilforever]

Yes and I myself as a traditional royalist have the right to oppose Sweden's succesion laws. I agree that a great monarch does not depend on the sex of the person, Queen Victoria is one of my favourites. But I just support the primogeniture system.

[basilforever]

I have to add another royal to my dislike list:

Prince Henrik of Denmark - for a variety of reasons, but mainly because of his stupid distempered freak out and also because he ate dogs, and said he liked the taste. 

[grandduchessella]

Of course you do. Everyone has a right to an opinion. Not to be rude, but Grandduchessella did say that if anyone wants to start a thread about succession that they are free to do so, but this thread (as it's about royals you dislike) is not the place. Some forums I've been to are really strict about posting off-topic and will kick you off, but Grandduchessella has been more than accomodating in the midst of all the madness.

Thanks so much Taren.  For anyone interested in the Salic discussion, TampaBay has started a thread on the subject.

Taren--I see we have many disliked royals in common. I completely agree with Sisi, who you added later. I always found her selfish in the extreme. Yes, she was young when she married and yes, she had her older children basically removed from her but I still find her rather unsympathetic. Vicky was also young while she married and faced a similar situation with her elder children. While she did have a happy marriage for support, she also had a lot less power to do anything about the situation. Franz Joseph adored Sisi and, in my opinion, she could've used that for leverage whereas Vicky was in a hostile environment. Vicky handled it much better and she had more to suffer from it than Sisi--since Fritz only came to power for 3 months and then her son was in control. Also, you could look at the similar situation that Missy found herself in--a young woman in a strange country whose children were out of her control. She at least tried to make lemonade out of lemons.

[Prince_Lieven]

I agree GDE - I've never liked Sisi either. In fact, I had a positive field day on the 'why do people like Sisi' thread! 

[Taren]

Exactly, all three women were in similar situations but at least Vicky and Missy were productive. Sisi, to me, is a negative stereotype of a princess. It was all about how pretty she was and there was basically no room for anything else.

In chronologic order:
1. Henry VIII - for generating the Anglican heresy which endangered the salvation of many souls and for killing his many wifes, all in order to satisfy his vanity of securing an heir
2. Peter "the Great"- for usurping the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church and imposing Westernizing heresies on Her
3. Catherine "the Great" - for killing her husband and usurping the Russian Throne, for supporting the anti-Christian Enlightenment principles

I don't want to nitpick, but Henry didn't kill all of them -just two. Not like it's any better though.  

I agree with Catherine the Great actually. I watched a documentary about her sometime ago and couldn't be sympathetic to someone with such lax morals. I'm not really a big fan of anyone that uses sex as part of their power. Also, it was thanks to her that Paul decided that no woman could sit on the Russian throne in their own right any longer. Fast forward over a hundred years and you have poor Alix doing her best to have a male child, because the four healthy ones she already had weren't good enough. If Paul hadn't enacted the law because of his mother I don't think Alix would have been under as much stress as she was. With the birth of Alexei, there would have been five heirs instead of one. Everyone could have breathed a little easier.

[BorbonFan]

In chronologic order:
1. Henry VIII - for generating the Anglican heresy which endangered the salvation of many souls and for killing his many wifes, all in order to satisfy his vanity of securing an heir

I don't want to nitpick, but Henry didn't kill all of them -just two. Not like it's any better though.  

By "all" I did not mean that he killed all of his wifes, but that he did all of these (the Anglican church, the killing of his wifes) in order to secure an heir.

[Prince_Lieven]

Neither of them are strictly 'royal' but I'm no fan of Charles II's mistresses Lady Castlemaine and the Duchess of Portsmouth. 

[Robert_Hall]

I rather like "Sisi", for the romantic image of a lonely Empress, slightly manic-depressive, wandering around Europe. Although I go along also with the idea that she was extremely vain, self-centerd, selfisg and demanding. Her story certainly is still interesting enough to sell all sorts of books and maintain  new generations of admirers.
 The musical based on her life was a success and I understand is now being translated into English.

[Rebecca]

Although I am not very fond of hatelists, I just came across this topic and the discussion is extremely interesting!

I do not really hate any royals - there are some whom I really dislike very much, but it is difficult to hate someone you have never met (but I guess iit is not impossible to do it) as several posters already have pointed out. In my short list I have limited myself to royals from the 1800s and 1900s.

Léopold II of Belgium in unevitable to mention in a list like this. I do not feel that I have anything to add to what have already been said about this most revolting man.

I have never liked Edward VIII either, and, as is the case with Carol II of Romania and Vittorio Emmanuele III of Italy, I dislike him the more I learn about him.

I realize that I might step on several people's toes when I say that I have quite a dislike for Nicholas II. 

Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich was a horrible man, in my opinion.

I also deeply dislike some minor German royals, but I will only mention two - Josias of Waldeck-Pyrmont and his wife Altburg, née duchess of Oldenburg. They were very devoted nazis. 

No Swedish royals have been mentioned in this thread yet. I wonder if it is because they have not been vicious or cruel enough or if they are not well known enough. 

I would like to add Alexander III of Russia to my list. He was reactionary and antisemitic. 

[BorbonFan]

I would like to add Alexander III of Russia to my list. He was reactionary and antisemitic. 

Can you give some examples of his "reactionary and antisemitic" actions?

[Taren]

I would like to add Alexander III of Russia to my list. He was reactionary and antisemitic. 

Can you give some examples of his "reactionary and antisemitic" actions?

Right here: http://www.answers.com/topic/may-laws