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George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« on: September 03, 2006, 12:23:07 PM »
Does anyone have any portraits of King George I's mistress, Ehrengard Melusine von der Schulenburg, Duchess of Kendal and Munster, or of any of the daughters they had together (Anna Luise Sophie, Melusine, Countess of Walsingham and Chesterfield and Margaret Gertrude, Countess Lippe). The Duchess was described by Robert Walpole as 'as much the queen of England as anyone'. Rumours that George had secretly married her were rife, especially after she was made Princess of Eberstein by Emperor Charles VI.
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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2006, 12:32:06 PM »
This is Melusine:



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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 12:43:13 PM »
They were nicknamed " The Elephant and the Beanpole".  ;D

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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2006, 01:06:34 PM »
Thanks for the portrait!

Melusin was the 'Maypole'. The Elephant was George's half sister, the Countess of Darlington. Some of the English thought she was also his mistress because of his affection for her, but they didn't know that she was actually his sister.
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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 03:45:14 PM »
Princess Diana herself descended from those illegitimate Hannover liasons...I think from Countess Melusine von der Schulenburg,Duchess of Kendal and Munster!

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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 03:59:06 PM »
Anna, Melusine and Margaret were officially called the Duchess's 'nieces' but I wonder if it was widely known that they were actually George's daughters . . .
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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 09:27:19 AM »
Can anyone list the husbands and children of these illegitimate daughters of George I?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2006, 09:34:29 AM »
Anna Luise Sophie married Ernst August von dem Bussche-Ippenburg, but I don't think they had any children.

Melusina married Philip Stanhope, Earl of Chesterfield, but they were childless too.

Margaret married Count Albrecht Wolfgang of Schaumburg-Lippe, but I can't find any record of children.  :-\
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 10:20:51 AM »
George and Melusine’s elder daughters were passed off as the children of Friedrich Achaz von der Schulenburg and his wife Margarethe, Melusine’s sister.  Their youngest daughter was passed off as the child of Rabe Christoph von Oeynhausen and his wife Sophie Juliane, another sister of Melusine’s.  George never acknowledged his beloved daughters because his father had taught him that acknowledging illegitimate children was a disgraceful act that could do great harm to the House of Hanover.  Some suspected that the three were really George’s daughters, but no one could prove it.  Those in the know were few and far between, and they kept the secret well. 

Louise was divorced circa 1714.  The Emperor made her Reichsgrafin von Delitz in her own right.  She never remarried, nor did she have any children.  A contemporary (perhaps falsely) alleged that she was divorced after her husband caught her in flagrante delicto with a lover, and that she behaved promiscuously after her divorce. 

Melusine, Countess of Walsingham, was her mother’s favorite.  Her marriage was happy but childless.   

Gertrud - “Trudchen” - was the apple of her father’s eye.  To the great sorrow of her family, she died from tuberculosis a few years after she married.  Her elder son, Georg August, was killed in a duel as a young man.  Her younger son, Friedrich Ernst Wilhelm, succeeded his father as Graf.  Like his maternal grandfather, he distinguished himself on the battlefield and as a patron of musicians.

George’s half-sister, the Countess of Darlington, was the maternal grandmother of Admiral Richard Howe and General William Howe of American Revolutionary War fame. 

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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 07:14:20 PM »
Princess Diana herself descended from those illegitimate Hannover liasons...I think from Countess Melusine von der Schulenburg,Duchess of Kendal and Munster!

She's also descended from the Stuarts that way. Through James II (I think -don't quote me!) she and Charles were 16th cousins.

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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 06:30:05 AM »
Diana was also related to the George Washington as was "Cookie.


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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2006, 04:59:16 AM »

Some people also think that the Countess of Darlington's children were conceived by George and not by her husband. This children who, in case they were fathered by George and not by Kielmansegge, would have been George's children born to his own sister were:

1. Maria Sophia (1702-1782): She married (1719) Emanuel Scrope Howe, 2nd Viscount Howe. They had issue.

2. Georg Ludwig (1705-1785): He married (1726), Melusine von Spörcken and left issue.

George I also had an affair Sophia von Offeln (1669-1726), to make matters more complicated she was the wife of his half-brother Ernst August von Platten-Hallermund, with whom he had one daughter: Friederike Luise von Platten-Hallermund (1713-1798). She married Joachim Andreas Maltzan and left issue.
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Re: George I & his wife Sophia-Dorothea of Zelle
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2006, 03:04:09 PM »
These ladies were never described in very flattering ways. It was said to be a mark of bad taste, and being provincially German that the first Hanovers had such mistresses. That is most likely true; the thinking back then was, if you had a mistress she should be attractive, like those of Charles II. It was the Queens that were supposed to be plain, like Louis the sun king's wife. ;)

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 09:05:00 PM »
I never knew all of this about George I until I started reading this thread....although I think I did read somewhere about the elephant and the maypole....very interesting!

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2006, 02:59:34 PM »
These ladies were never described in very flattering ways. It was said to be a mark of bad taste, and being provincially German that the first Hanovers had such mistresses. That is most likely true; the thinking back then was, if you had a mistress she should be attractive, like those of Charles II. It was the Queens that were supposed to be plain, like Louis the sun king's wife. ;)

Contemporaries thought that George’s ex-wife, the rubenesque Sophia Dorothea, was a great beauty and that the tall and skinny Melusine was repulsive.  By today’s standards, Melusine would be considered attractive while Sophia Dorothea would be considered overweight or obese.  I don’t think the Countess of Darlington would have been considered good-looking in any era because she was morbidly obese.  Horace Walpole met her when he was a child:

Lady Darlington…was as corpulent and ample as (Melusine) was long and emaciated.  Two fierce black eyes, large and rolling beneath two lofty arched eyebrows, two acres of cheek spread with crimson, an ocean of neck that overflowed and was not distinguished from the lower part of her body, and no part restrained by stays…no wonder that I dreaded such an ogress… (She and Melusine) were food for all the venom of the Jacobites; and, indeed, nothing could be grosser than the ribaldry that was vomited out in lampoons, libels, and every channel of abuse, against the new sovereign and the new court, and chanted even in their hearing about the public streets.”