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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2006, 12:40:32 AM »
Queen Adelaide's fan
c.1830

French leaf and sticks; English guards

Descended from Queen Adelaide to Queen Victoria



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According to Queen Victoria, this fan belonged to her aunt, Queen Adelaide (1792-1849), whose crowned cipher AR appears on both guards. The style and finish of the gold work on these guards is close to that produced in England at the time, particularly by firms such as Rundell, Bridge & Rundell, who undertook numerous commissions for the royal family. However, the fan leaf, with appliqué decoration, is of a type that was already produced in Paris before the Revolution, with the more spectacular examples dating from the 1830s. Alphonse Giroux, of Alphonse Giroux et Cie, who was a painter as well as a purveyor or luxury goods (from furniture to photographs), may have supplied the richly decorated leaf of this fan before it was exported to England for mounting. The tiny painted ivory heads - a feature of Cantonese fans - were produced in China for export to Western (particularly French) fan-makers. However, the features painted onto the ivory here are Western, not Oriental.

Queen Adelaide, born Princess of Saxe-Meiningen, had married George III’s third son, William, Duke of Clarence, in 1818. On the death of George IV in June 1830, the Duke of Clarence succeeded to the throne as William IV. There were no surviving children of the marriage, and on the King’s death in June 1837 his niece, Victoria, succeeded. Both Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were fond of the Dowager Queen. On Queen Adelaide’s death in December 1849, many of her jewels and personal possessions - probably including this fan - passed to Queen Victoria.

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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2006, 06:15:31 AM »
I have learned so much from the this thread and I thought I knew all there was to know!  ;D ;D ;D

It is accepted fact the the Duchess of Kent and William IV did not, to be polite, care to be in each other's company.

Does anyone know the nature of the relationship between Queen Adelaide and the DUchess of Kent?

I find it strange that the Duchess of Kent kept Victoria away from the court.  If you are short on money, wht not curry favor with the King as mother to the heir.  I am sure it would be a short time before the king gave you an apartment in Buck House.  If my mother had been the Duchess of Kent her new best friend would have been Queen Adelaide. 

I think there is much more to this story that we may never know.

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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #62 on: September 23, 2006, 06:43:12 AM »
It is fascinating. I want to find out more about it all as well. I think Q Adelaide tried to be nice to the Duchess of Kent. But the Duchess of Kent was frosty I think. She didn't care about Queen Adelaide's birthday for example. How rude. >:(
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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2006, 06:09:54 AM »


Number 89 belonged to HM Queen Adelaide
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Lot Description A pearl and turquoise corsage ornament
The openwork bow shaped sumount with central collet set half pearl, suspending a series of three graduated openwork scroll panels, set throughout with cabochon turquoises and pearl accents, circa 1830, pearls untested, panels detachable for wear as two brooches, together with two fittings a similar panel and a pear shaped drop

Provenance Formerly the property of Queen Adelaide, the wife of William IV and aunt of Queen Victoria; probably given as a gift to Countess Henckel von Donnersmarck (1826-1904) and thence by descent.


 
 


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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2006, 05:09:49 PM »


I find it strange that the Duchess of Kent kept Victoria away from the court.  If you are short on money, wht not curry favor with the King as mother to the heir.  I am sure it would be a short time before the king gave you an apartment in Buck House.
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It is doubtful that any funds would be forthcoming from the King.  He well knew that it would only end up in John Conroy's  pocket, so why bother.

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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2006, 02:42:13 PM »
I have learned so much from the this thread and I thought I knew all there was to know!  ;D ;D ;D

It is accepted fact the the Duchess of Kent and William IV did not, to be polite, care to be in each other's company.

Does anyone know the nature of the relationship between Queen Adelaide and the DUchess of Kent?

I find it strange that the Duchess of Kent kept Victoria away from the court.  If you are short on money, wht not curry favor with the King as mother to the heir.  I am sure it would be a short time before the king gave you an apartment in Buck House.  If my mother had been the Duchess of Kent her new best friend would have been Queen Adelaide. 

I think there is much more to this story that we may never know.

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I think they had a good relationship in the early years, and Adelaide comforted the Dss of Kent in her widowhood. They both came to England under the same circumstances, and both were German Princesses. However the good relationship didn't last, although I can't remember the exact reason, but i think there was some sort of incident that triggered it, besides the Dss of Kent avoiding the "old" RF.

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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2006, 06:08:30 PM »


This portrait below is in a building in Adelaide in Australia. It was from an Adelaide (the city) website so I don't know what building.





There's also a plaque of QA and a statue but the site didn't have a photo of the statue.




Leave it to the Adelade native--that's the Art Gallery of South Australia that that painting is in, I think. :)


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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2006, 10:11:17 AM »
I'm quite sure I read it is in Government House in Adelaide actually! And that is the dining table in front of it (the portrait).
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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2006, 11:21:54 PM »
MALTA -- Queen Adelaide Church, Valetta, 1882 Engraving



QUEEN DOWEGER ADELAIDE PORTRAIT WILLIAM NAVAL ASYLUM

I hadn't seen this portrait before either



FUNERAL QUEEN DOWEGER ADELAIDE ST GEORGE CHAPEL 1849



ROYAL GALLERY OF PICTURES BOOK QUEEN ADELAIDE 1840

Queen Adelaide's book of pictures

ITEM:  ROYAL GALLERY OF PICTURES being a selection mof THE CABINET PAINTINGS in HER MAJESTY'S PRIVATE COLLECTION AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE.

Published under the Superintendence of John Linnell, Esq, London, James Bohn, 12 Kink mWilliam Street, Charing Cross, MDCCCXL (1840).

Each painting has a black and whit full page plate as well as an information page that details some or all of the following information about the painting; title, artist, description, size, medium, where it was purchased and the price.

This book conatins the following black and white plates;

#1 The adoration of Magi, 1657, Rembrandt Van Rhyn

#2 The Marriage of St Catherine, Sir Anthony Anthony Vandyck

#3 No details, (Missing)

#4 The Grocers Shop, Gerard Douw

#5 Country Inn Door, Isaac Van Ostade

#6 Landscape with Ruins of an old Tower, Foresters and Dogs, Albert Cuyp

#7 The Milk Maid, Paul Potter

# 8 Death of Dido, Sir Joshua Reynolds

#9 The ship builder and his wife, 1633 (Missing)

#10 Titiano, Landscape with Herdsmen driving cattle (Missing)

#11 St Philip baptizing the Eunuch, Jan Both (Plate has a 9cm tear repaired with tape)

#12 The gardener. Portraits of Teniers and his family, David Teniers

#13 Cow and Goats, Karel Du Jardin

#14 The Battle Field, Philip Wouvermans

#15 The Hay Field, Philip Wouvermans

#16 The Marquis of Granby, Sir Joshua Reynolds

#17 Monks at their devotion, Granet

#18 King Charles I, Henrietta Maria, and Infant, Daniel Mytens (The plate has a 15cm tear)

#19 Landscape with Figures, Nicholas Berghem

#20 Missing

#21 Horses and Figures in a Landscape, Albert Cuyp

#22 Missing

#23 Missing

#24 Missing

#25 The Lady with a Fan, Rembrandt Van Rhyn, 1641

#26 Portrait of a Jew Rabbi, Rembrandt Van Rhyn

#27 Portrait of Wife, Sir Peter Paul Rubens

#28 The Hawking Party, Adrian Van De Velde

#29 Missing

#30 Missing

#31 Missing

#32 Count La Lippe, Sir Joshua Retnolds

#No number, Montreal, no information page

#No number, Kingston, Lake Ontario, no information page

I have included as much information and detail as I can, please ask if there is other information you require BEFORE bidding

APPROX. SIZE: The book measures 31cm x 25cm.

DATE: 1840.



CONDITION: The pages and plates are in good condition with some discolouring, marks, water spots on a few pages.

The front and back covers are deatched, 6cm of the spine is missing and the spine has damage.

Where we have indicated that a plate or page is missing we have assumed that it was there originally and has been later removed, however there is no evidence that some of the pages / plates were removed, so it is possible that they were not included in the book originally. 











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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2006, 07:37:11 AM »
Thanks for the pictures - what does her signature actually say?
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Re: William IV & Queen Adelaide
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2007, 05:54:34 AM »
Slightly different portrait of Her Majesty here:





with the other Queen Consorts who were crowned with their husbands up until Queen Mary and George V.
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« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2008, 05:50:07 AM »
Hey !

Can someone give me some informations about Lord Munster's sons : William (1824-), Frederick (1826-), George (1836-) & Edward (1837)
their lives, their careers...

thanks !

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Re: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2008, 08:44:01 AM »
Some info on these grandsons of William IV:

William George Fitzclarence, 2d Earl of Munster (1824-1901); m.1855 Wilhelmine Kennedy-Erskine and had 9 children. He had a life fairly typical of an aristocrat of his day--hunting parties, etc...He died at Brighton and is buried in Sussex. Wikipedia says that the Duchess of Kent would take her underage daughter (roughly the same age as her cousin) to visit him for fear of 'something happening'. He gained the rank of Captain in the service of the 1st Life Guards and held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of Middlesex.

Hon.Frederick Charles George Fitzclarence-Hunloke (1826-1878, just days after QV's daughter Alice); m.1856 Hon.Adelaide Sidney. He gained the rank of Captain in the service of the 10th Hussars and held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of Derbyshire. On 1865 his name was legally changed to Frederick Charles George Fitz-Clarence-Hunloke. He lived at Wingerworth Hall, Derbyshire, England.

Hon.George Fitzclarence (1836--1894); m.1864 Lady Maria Henrietta Scott and had 6 children. He gained the rank of Captain in the the Royal Navy. He was decorated with the Knight, Order of the Medjidie.


Hon.Edward Fitzclarence (1837-KIA in Crimean War 1855). He gained the rank of Lieutenant in the service of the 7th Fusiliers. He died of wounds received at the battle of Redan.

Their father, the 1st Earl of Munster committed suicide at age 48 in 1842 with a pistol given to him by his uncle, George IV.

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Re: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2008, 11:51:41 AM »
big thanks granduchessella !

It's impossible to get a clearer answer.

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Re: George Fitzclarence 1st Count of Munster
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2008, 04:21:50 PM »
You're welcome. Sadly, 7th Earl (who died in 2001), was the last of the FitzClarences.

Like their fellow almost-royals, the Fitzgeorges, they had a long history of military service to the Crown.

Not only was Edward killed in the Crimean War, but Geoffrey Fitzclarence, the 3rd Earl  died in 1902 during an accident at the Lapo Mines during his service in the Boer War. He was a Major of the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Scots, Lothian Regiment. He had previously served in Afghanistan (1879 and 1880). Additionally, his nephew, Capt. Charles Fitzclarence (the grandson of the 2nd Earl) was shot during the Boer War while serving with the Royal Fusiliers.
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