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Counts Shuvalov
« on: September 11, 2006, 06:25:01 PM »
I would like to know more about the count Pyotr Andreyevich....with whom was he married...There's a lot of information on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Andreyevich_Shuvalov but it don't says if Pyotr Andreyevich married...

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2006, 11:25:37 AM »
Was he the Count Peter who was the father of five daughters including Princess Olga Petrovna Doulgoruky (died 1927,Paris) and Countess Sophie Petrovna Benckendorff (whose husband -died 1916-was Russian ambassador to Gt Britain and a twin of Count Paul Benckendorff). ?

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 05:40:17 AM »
I would like to know more about the count Pyotr Andreyevich....with whom was he married...There's a lot of information on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Andreyevich_Shuvalov but it don't says if Pyotr Andreyevich married...

Pyotr Andreyevich Shuvalov was a son of Andrei Petrovich Shuvalov (himself a son of Piotr Andreyevich Shuvalov and his wife princess Sophia
Grigorievna Shcherbatova) and Tekla Walentinowicz, princess Zubow. Your Pyotr married 24.05.1864 countess Yelena Ivanovna Orlova-Denisova, a daughter of Ivan Dmitrievich Tchertkov and Yelena Stroganova.

Your Piotr and Yelena had a son, named Andrei, who was born at Rundale Palace, Courland, 11.11.1865.


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Re: Counts Shuvalov
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 04:21:23 PM »
Dear all,

My husband’s great grandfather worked as some kind of admistrator for a Count Shuvalov of the Shuvalov palace on the Fontanka, from the 1890’s until the revolution. From various Russian web sources I gathered that the count occupying the palace at the time was Pavel Petrovich Shuvalov and after his death in 1902, his widow Betsy - there are some interesting pictures elsewhere on this forum.  Do you know of any books or other sources with information about these people & life at the palace at the time? 

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 12:43:01 AM »
Elena,

If this helps, the fonds of P.P. Shuvalov at GARF are as follows:

ШУВАЛОВ
Павел Петрович, гр. (1847-1907), штабс-ротмистр двора вел. кн. Владимира Александровича, командир л.-гв. 4-го стрелкового батальона, организатор о-ва "Священная дружина"; его жена Елизавета Владимировна.
ИА РАН, ф. 20, 19 ед. хр., 1846-1924.
РНБ, ф. 876, 4 ед. хр., 1858-1899.
См. также Шуваловы, гр., П.П. и Пав.П.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 07:21:56 AM »
Thank you! This is a start.

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 12:36:50 PM »
Countess Betsy escaped and died in Paris in August 1938..I have often wondered of her life in exile but have never been able to discover any details...

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2008, 02:12:04 PM »
A whole chapter is dedicated to Betsy Shuvalov in a book about women in the life of C.G.E. Mannerheim (Finland’s two-time Commander-in-Chief, President of the Republic etc.), written by Leonid Vlasov .  The book was published in Finnish in 2002 and later in Russian.  Countess Shuvalov apparently had a long term on-and-off relationship with Mannerheim, who was 12 years her junior.  He was an officer of the Chevalier Guards at the time.

Her later life according to Vlasov: The Countess had to leave her palace after the Bolsheviks confiscated it in January 1918.  She stayed in different apartments of her friends, before fleeing to her house in Yalta.  There she organized a hospital for anti Bolshevik soldiers.  In the end of October 1920 she left Yalta on an Italian steamer called Corvin.  There were only a few cabins on the boat, but she was given one.  Later she lived in Paris.  Her health was not good, but she didn’t like to obey her doctors’ orders.  She thought old age was God’s joke, and declined to celebrate her 80th birthday – because she felt her soul was only 18 and loved poetry, music and painting.  She didn’t like to go to the funerals of other emigrants but did attend the funeral of Anastasia Arapova, Mannerheim’s ex-wife.  Countess Shuvalov’s grave is in the cemetery of Saint-Genevieve-des-Bois.

Vlasov’s main source for all this seems to be Lev Ljubimov, a journalist whose mother knew the Countess in Paris.

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2008, 03:11:08 PM »
A whole chapter is dedicated to Betsy Shuvalov in a book about women in the life of C.G.E. Mannerheim (Finland’s two-time Commander-in-Chief, President of the Republic etc.), written by Leonid Vlasov .  The book was published in Finnish in 2002 and later in Russian.  Countess Shuvalov apparently had a long term on-and-off relationship with Mannerheim, who was 12 years her junior.  He was an officer of the Chevalier Guards at the time.

Her later life according to Vlasov: The Countess had to leave her palace after the Bolsheviks confiscated it in January 1918.  She stayed in different apartments of her friends, before fleeing to her house in Yalta.  There she organized a hospital for anti Bolshevik soldiers.  In the end of October 1920 she left Yalta on an Italian steamer called Corvin.  There were only a few cabins on the boat, but she was given one.  Later she lived in Paris.  Her health was not good, but she didn’t like to obey her doctors’ orders.  She thought old age was God’s joke, and declined to celebrate her 80th birthday – because she felt her soul was only 18 and loved poetry, music and painting.  She didn’t like to go to the funerals of other emigrants but did attend the funeral of Anastasia Arapova, Mannerheim’s ex-wife.  Countess Shuvalov’s grave is in the cemetery of Saint-Genevieve-des-Bois.

Vlasov’s main source for all this seems to be Lev Ljubimov, a journalist whose mother knew the Countess in Paris.

Thankyou very much for the information...I wonder how Betsy supported herself in exile...she may have saved some jewels or had funds abroad..at one time I think she had owned a villa in Biarritz.

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 08:38:17 AM »
R. Johnston’s book.” New Mecca, New Babylon : Paris and the Russian Exiles” mentions Countess Shuvalova in a footnote as one of the persons supporting the Russian Red Cross hospital in Villejuif in Paris.  Other names mentioned are Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna and Princess Obolenskaya.  “Financial stringencies severely curtailed” their activivites.

For a description of Countess Betsy’s funeral, see:
http://next.feb-web.ru/feb/rosarc/ra5/ra5-565-.htm

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 12:04:07 PM »
R. Johnston’s book.” New Mecca, New Babylon : Paris and the Russian Exiles” mentions Countess Shuvalova in a footnote as one of the persons supporting the Russian Red Cross hospital in Villejuif in Paris.  Other names mentioned are Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna and Princess Obolenskaya.  “Financial stringencies severely curtailed” their activivites.

For a description of Countess Betsy’s funeral, see:
http://next.feb-web.ru/feb/rosarc/ra5/ra5-565-.htm

Thankyou Elena...

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2008, 01:07:23 AM »
What wonderful information! Thank you, Elena.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 02:16:48 PM »
Article on history of Shuvalov palace with information on last owners Pavel and Elizabeth (photograph also) and after revolution as Palace Museum to 1925:
http://kn.sobaka.ru/n8/03.html

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Re: Counts Shuvalov
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 12:33:38 PM »
Thank you for posting the link, Joanna! It's a good article.

There are Ukrainian sites with pictures of the Shuvalov hunting castle in Talnoe, Ukraine:

http://www.oko.kiev.ua/Monument.jsp?monumentId=399

http://www.talnoe.kiev.ua/foto1.htm
http://www.talnoe.kiev.ua/foto2.htm 

The last one has pictures of the gravestones of Pavel Petrovich Shuvalov and his parents Petr Pavlovich and Sofia Lvovna nee Naryshkina

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 07:46:07 PM »
Elena, Is there any connection of Pavel Shuvalov with Shuvalovsky Park:
http://nasledie-rus.ru/podshivka/8319.php

Joanna