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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2006, 12:25:31 PM »
I agree. It would be nice if maybe they were slightly older but it's a definite plus that they've been together a few years now and for the msot part been left alone and not stalked like when Diana first took up with Charles.

But they might not get married at all! William may marry a Princess yet! ;)

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2006, 12:49:59 PM »

Where is the guarantee that royalty behaves any better than anyone else? What about Princess Stephanie or  Ernst of Hanover?  Manners and breeding can come from any class (or not!)- they come from inside a person, not from their ancestors.  I don't see anything "common" in Kate Middleton- she's smart, educated. pretty, and seem to have a good relationship with William.  And they started out as friends, which is a great "plus" for any marriage.  I have no idea if they will marry or not, but if they do, I'm sure they have the basis for a successful partnership. 

True:). But in my opinion, they have been trained since birth for the position they are to ultimately occupy whether that be Queen, Princess or whatever :).  Also it would give a more firm foundation to any relationship with the princes. They would better understand what its like to be in the spotlight. Please we don't what another re-run of the Diana years.  :) They are important members of the Royal Family and I think they should really be marrying the creme de la creme!! Of course happiness would be a big factor too..:) ;)
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2006, 01:12:55 PM »

Where is the guarantee that royalty behaves any better than anyone else? What about Princess Stephanie or  Ernst of Hanover?  Manners and breeding can come from any class (or not!)- they come from inside a person, not from their ancestors.  I don't see anything "common" in Kate Middleton- she's smart, educated. pretty, and seem to have a good relationship with William.  And they started out as friends, which is a great "plus" for any marriage.  I have no idea if they will marry or not, but if they do, I'm sure they have the basis for a successful partnership. 

True:). But in my opinion, they have been trained since birth for the position they are to ultimately occupy whether that be Queen, Princess or whatever :).  Also it would give a more firm foundation to any relationship with the princes. They would better understand what its like to be in the spotlight. Please we don't what another re-run of the Diana years.  :) They are important members of the Royal Family and I think they should really be marrying the creme de la creme!! Of course happiness would be a big factor too..:) ;)

But have they, any more in this day and age been trained for such a role really (apart from the ones who are heirs to the throne, of course)?  Younger siblings and cousins of monarchs in this day and age are more or less encouraged to have private careers of their own- very few live off the public purse entirely (and  would be considered free loaders by many if they did).  And those from exiled royalty certainly have had no more experience in ruling than any one else.

I come from a long line of peasants/farmers, miners and a few fishermen going back a thousand years.  Do I have any innate knowledge of plowing a furrow, digging coal, harvesting barley or for that matter nursing my family through a smallpox epidemic in a peasant hut and watching my children die around me?  No.  In a single generation my family has become solidly middle class with all the values that entails.  My father was born in a small hut in rural Slovakia, and through his own efforts has become reasonably well off and is has done a lot of charitable work lately, sharing his (modest) wealth in his old age with good causes. 

  I know this is getting way OT, but I'm just making a point that of course family background is important- but that royal families are not really any better or worse  than any other.  What's important is the values of the individual concerned.

I do agree that royals may be used to the spotlight, although not necessarily.  How many papparazzi chase Theodora of Greece around these days? I wouldnt even recognize her if I saw her in the street, and I read royalty boards. ;)  There's a lot more attention given to actressess and the like and "hollywood royalty", but I hardly think that there are many actresses who would really fit into a royal role comfortably.

And you are right, we don't want a Diana situation again.  That's why William should marry someone he knows well, has a friendship with as well as a romance- someone he LIKES as well as is attracted to.  But she doesn't need to be royal- just smart and adaptable.

Just my humble opinion of course.  ;)
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Re: Love Lives of William and Harry
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2006, 01:41:17 PM »

I sincerely doubt Princess Theodora has been trained to be a queen.  She attended Brown University in the USA, where she studied theatre.  Brown does not offer a degree in queenship.

Members of foreign ruling families, especially in Germany, live largely normal lives.  They have to work because they don't have trust funds, and they certainly are not raised to be the wife of ruling sovereign.
Unless the princess is heiress apparent, the princess is unlikely to be trained to be a queen --
Queen Silvia, for example, is the perfect example of a commoner who married a king - and is much respected and adored. 


Where is the guarantee that royalty behaves any better than anyone else? What about Princess Stephanie or  Ernst of Hanover?  Manners and breeding can come from any class (or not!)- they come from inside a person, not from their ancestors.  I don't see anything "common" in Kate Middleton- she's smart, educated. pretty, and seem to have a good relationship with William.  And they started out as friends, which is a great "plus" for any marriage.  I have no idea if they will marry or not, but if they do, I'm sure they have the basis for a successful partnership. 

True:). But in my opinion, they have been trained since birth for the position they are to ultimately occupy whether that be Queen, Princess or whatever :).  Also it would give a more firm foundation to any relationship with the princes. They would better understand what its like to be in the spotlight. Please we don't what another re-run of the Diana years.  :) They are important members of the Royal Family and I think they should really be marrying the creme de la creme!! Of course happiness would be a big factor too..:) ;)
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2006, 02:40:17 PM »
I won't join the debate on whether a commoner is suitable to wed a future monarch - these are different times, and there simply aren't that many princesses left to choose from.  Plus, royal marriages are no longer for political reasons, which was the principal objective of inter-royal marriages.

That said, it would add a certain level of grandeur not seen in generations if William married a foreign princess.  Especially were she the daughter of a reigning monarch.   The regal splendour of two sets of monarchs on either side of the alter would certainly be impressive - not to mention the processions, the jewelry, etc. 

Come to think of it - when was the last time a reigning British monarch or heir apparent married the son or daughter of a reigning king or queen (except for a reigning duke or prince).  It wasn't Phillip, Elizabeth, Mary, Alex, Albert, Adelaide, any of the Georges.  Anybody know?

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2006, 02:42:15 PM »
Queen Anne's husband George was the brother of a reigning Danish King. She wasn't heir apparent at the time though . . . Neither was Mary when she married William of Orange.

Charles II's marriage to Catherine of Braganza is probably the last example.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2006, 07:17:07 PM »


Charles and Camilla's extra-marital relations would not be called a courtship. Sordid affair would be the more correct term. :-X


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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2006, 07:32:38 PM »

Where is the guarantee that royalty behaves any better than anyone else? What about Princess Stephanie or  Ernst of Hanover?  Manners and breeding can come from any class (or not!)- they come from inside a person, not from their ancestors.  I don't see anything "common" in Kate Middleton- she's smart, educated. pretty, and seem to have a good relationship with William.  And they started out as friends, which is a great "plus" for any marriage.  I have no idea if they will marry or not, but if they do, I'm sure they have the basis for a successful partnership. 

True:). But in my opinion, they have been trained since birth for the position they are to ultimately occupy whether that be Queen, Princess or whatever :).  Also it would give a more firm foundation to any relationship with the princes. They would better understand what its like to be in the spotlight. Please we don't what another re-run of the Diana years.  :) They are important members of the Royal Family and I think they should really be marrying the creme de la creme!! Of course happiness would be a big factor too..:) ;)

But have they, any more in this day and age been trained for such a role really (apart from the ones who are heirs to the throne, of course)?  Younger siblings and cousins of monarchs in this day and age are more or less encouraged to have private careers of their own- very few live off the public purse entirely (and  would be considered free loaders by many if they did).  And those from exiled royalty certainly have had no more experience in ruling than any one else.

I come from a long line of peasants/farmers, miners and a few fishermen going back a thousand years.  Do I have any innate knowledge of plowing a furrow, digging coal, harvesting barley or for that matter nursing my family through a smallpox epidemic in a peasant hut and watching my children die around me?  No.  In a single generation my family has become solidly middle class with all the values that entails.  My father was born in a small hut in rural Slovakia, and through his own efforts has become reasonably well off and is has done a lot of charitable work lately, sharing his (modest) wealth in his old age with good causes. 

  I know this is getting way OT, but I'm just making a point that of course family background is important- but that royal families are not really any better or worse  than any other.  What's important is the values of the individual concerned.

I do agree that royals may be used to the spotlight, although not necessarily.  How many papparazzi chase Theodora of Greece around these days? I wouldnt even recognize her if I saw her in the street, and I read royalty boards. ;)  There's a lot more attention given to actressess and the like and "hollywood royalty", but I hardly think that there are many actresses who would really fit into a royal role comfortably.

And you are right, we don't want a Diana situation again.  That's why William should marry someone he knows well, has a friendship with as well as a romance- someone he LIKES as well as is attracted to.  But she doesn't need to be royal- just smart and adaptable.

Just my humble opinion of course.  ;)

William's wife does need to be royal, in my very strong opinion. This is not because she would be better trained, but to ensure the British monarchy is thought of to still be truly royal for the future and not just becoming more and more a bunch of commoners like some other royal families.  :-X Even though paparazzi don't chase Theodora around, she has lived her entire life knowing that she is a Princess, that her parents were reigning monarchs, and that she has blood connections to pretty much all the other European royal families. She has lived with a certain status and mindset her whole life that I'm sure counts for a lot, but it is not easy to fully understand.

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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2006, 07:35:39 PM »

I sincerely doubt Princess Theodora has been trained to be a queen.  She attended Brown University in the USA, where she studied theatre.  Brown does not offer a degree in queenship.

Members of foreign ruling families, especially in Germany, live largely normal lives.  They have to work because they don't have trust funds, and they certainly are not raised to be the wife of ruling sovereign.
Unless the princess is heiress apparent, the princess is unlikely to be trained to be a queen --
Queen Silvia, for example, is the perfect example of a commoner who married a king - and is much respected and adored. 


Where is the guarantee that royalty behaves any better than anyone else? What about Princess Stephanie or  Ernst of Hanover?  Manners and breeding can come from any class (or not!)- they come from inside a person, not from their ancestors.  I don't see anything "common" in Kate Middleton- she's smart, educated. pretty, and seem to have a good relationship with William.  And they started out as friends, which is a great "plus" for any marriage.  I have no idea if they will marry or not, but if they do, I'm sure they have the basis for a successful partnership. 

True:). But in my opinion, they have been trained since birth for the position they are to ultimately occupy whether that be Queen, Princess or whatever :).  Also it would give a more firm foundation to any relationship with the princes. They would better understand what its like to be in the spotlight. Please we don't what another re-run of the Diana years.  :) They are important members of the Royal Family and I think they should really be marrying the creme de la creme!! Of course happiness would be a big factor too..:) ;)

Well Queen Silvia doesn't appeal to me as a Queen. I certainly don't respect or adore her. Queens must have some royal blood to be fully adequate Queens in my view.

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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2006, 07:41:53 PM »
I won't join the debate on whether a commoner is suitable to wed a future monarch - these are different times, and there simply aren't that many princesses left to choose from.  Plus, royal marriages are no longer for political reasons, which was the principal objective of inter-royal marriages.

That said, it would add a certain level of grandeur not seen in generations if William married a foreign princess.  Especially were she the daughter of a reigning monarch.   The regal splendour of two sets of monarchs on either side of the alter would certainly be impressive - not to mention the processions, the jewelry, etc. 

Come to think of it - when was the last time a reigning British monarch or heir apparent married the son or daughter of a reigning king or queen (except for a reigning duke or prince).  It wasn't Phillip, Elizabeth, Mary, Alex, Albert, Adelaide, any of the Georges.  Anybody know?

That would be so impressive to have 4 royal parents next to the bride and groom. But Camilla would be there too. ;) To me a child or grandchild of non-reigning monarchs or other royals would definitely be good enough. Any royal blood is still royal blood and Philip, Mary, Alix, Albert, Adelaide and the Queen consorts of the Georges all had that. Elizabeth had aristocratic and noble blood and some royal blood going back a number of generations, so that's good enough for me. :)

There aren't many Princesses with reigning monarchs as parents to choose from, but there are certainly A LOT of young ladies with royal blood to choose from. So many..... I could post a list if you don't believe me. :P

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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2006, 08:42:03 PM »
DON"T...I believe you !!! Maybe you should instead sent the list to Wills & Harry !  ;)

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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2006, 10:32:55 PM »
Why don't you want me to post such a list? It is very interesting you know.... :)

Perhaps many of the young ladies wouldn't be interested in becoming romantically involved with someone who throws smoke bombs into crowded parties and spends all night out drinking. I know I wouldn't. I am very much looking forward to Harry growing up and gaining some respectability!!!! >:(
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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2006, 10:43:40 PM »
Yes..I think I shall reconise someone from your list. I do update myself with the latest Almanac de Gotha.

With Harry...I would not be surprised if he end up with somone like Jordan... ;D

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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2006, 11:07:15 PM »
Oh boy, God forbid! I know it's a joke, but I feel a bit distressed at the thought! :(

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2006, 02:00:21 AM »
With the example of Norway & Spain , I think anything is possible.  ::) Yes it is a depressing thought... :(