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Offline Laura_

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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2008, 11:54:05 AM »
also the beautiful Ava Gardner in Mayerling (1968).

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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2008, 02:12:29 PM »
I tend to think Ava did a good job in that movie. She displayed the emotions of a fading beauty well.

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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2008, 03:00:40 PM »
Yea, I still am hoping for an international DVD-release, I love the MGM Classics and epspecialy when they're based on real events, they're always great at the sets, costumes and most of the time also the story :)

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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2008, 03:03:18 PM »
Mayerling was actually a French film, but there is a dubbed version. I had the tape.

I was trying to find the film still of Ava as Sisi in the ball scene. She looked wonderful in that black dress decked with jewels.  :D

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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2008, 03:16:01 PM »
Yes I know, but there were two films actauly called 'Mayerling' the version from 1936 - the french movie -, wich I really want to see because of its good reviews, and the version from 1968, starring Omar Sharif as Archduke Rudolf, Catherine Deneuve as Mary Vetsera and Ava Gardner as the Empress.

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« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2008, 06:42:13 AM »

Yes I too must agree that the trilogy is more on the romantic side than fact, but that is what I like about it. No sex scenes, no bad language wonderful.


Well I agree with you on that point! A return to more innocent days would be nice, but unfortunately does not seem to be possible.

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« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2008, 12:55:47 PM »
Although I think a more realistic of story of Sisi need to be told. She was never that nice and could be wilful at times...

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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2008, 03:50:32 AM »
Yes, I would love to see a film that told a more realistic story of Sisi. Romy Schneider is a lovely actress, but those films don't have that much to do with the truth. I've heard that Romy hated the inaccuracies of the films. And I'm under the impression that most Austrians who know anything about their own history know that those films are just romantic fairytales and that the reality was something quite different. But those films tend to annoy me because all too often, they're all that foreigners know about Sisi, and that means they really don't have a truthful image of her.

Other than the Sissi films (which I saw 15 years and a few biographies too late... I'd probably have liked them as a child) I've only seen the Kronprinz Rudolf TV film, with Sandra Ceccarelli as Elisabeth. I thought she did a pretty good job in the dreamy melancholy of the Empress, even if the character was maybe scripted a bit too nice - but that's not the fault of the actress.

But I was very glad to see Imperial_Grounds mention the Elisabeth musical, which is quite a popular musical in Europe, though no English version has been made so it isn't so well known in English-speaking countries. I love that musical - it's actually what got me into Elisabeth and other Habsburgs and Wittelsbachs, of course I'd heard something about them before but I hadn't realised how interesting they were. And I find that out of the fictionalisations of Elisabeth etc. that I know, it's the most accurate a representation of her life and character. Even though as it's a musical and you can't fit in everything, very many things have been left out, and it's actually got a very fantastical approach. Elisabeth's story is narrated by Lucheni, her murderer, and her life is represented as a battle for independence on the one hand and as a romance with Death on the other. Death is a character in the musical, an attractive young man who loves Elisabeth and tries to get her - this accounts for many of the tragedies of her life as well as her depression and longing for death.

There have been lots of excellent actresses playing Elisabeth in that musical, who I've felt have really portrayed her character very well, both positive and negative sides - she isn't just a heroine there, she is also a deeply flawed human being whose strength turns against her and who commits her own big errors. Pia Douwes, already mentioned here, is a really great Elisabeth; another famous one whom I also love is Maya Hakvoort, who plays Elisabeth on the DVD made of the Vienna production of the musical. There are also many other good ones. Annemieke Van Dam of the current German tour of Elisabeth looks incredibly much like the real Sisi and seems to play her with lots of spirit and emotion. My own personal favourite is the Hungarian Nikolett Füredi, whom I saw last January in Budapest. She had a unique emotional depth and strength and brought across Elisabeth's dark side very well, her fragile emotional balance, her aloofness and her longing for Death. I could post some pictures of this musical if you want, though I don't know if there should perhaps be a different thread for the musical, as this thread is for films and cartoons, not the stage.

There is also a Rudolf musical, but it doesn't have Elisabeth as a character. The Elisabeth musical has Rudolf, though.

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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2008, 07:57:30 AM »
I got my copy of the musical Elisabeth today and I will try and put a version on with English subtitles for those who want to see it, it's truly a beautiful production. Wonderful music and a more correct portrayal of the Empress, the papers wrote down 'A 19th century Princess Diana' when it was first released in the netherlands in 1999.

I've also found a torrent for 'Sissi, L'Imperatrice Rebelle', but the movie itself is in French so if someone would be able to work on English subtitles that would be helpful, the movie is fictive but tells a more true story. Days before her tragic death the Empress visits doctor Mayer, she retells the story of her tragic life to find herself and so we get to know the young Elisabeth, into marriage with Franz, giving birth to her daughter and losing her at a tragic young age, the death of her son, her fascination with exercising and diets, her friendship with Count Andrasy and eventually her tragic death. She is shown as a free-spirited woman with a troubled and tragic life.

The actress doesn't look like the Empress, and so do some other actors and characters. It is quite dramatised, but stays true to the story unlike the Sissi-films which present her life as a fairytale.

For instance, in the movie Elisabeth is present at Mayerling when her son dies and she finds him and Mary, and when she is walking towards the ship in Geneva she walks and collapses, without reaching the ship, not true to history but more correct than most other movies, and it works in the dramatic sense of the movie. Also I've heared the Empress mentions writing a book, and while she wrote poetry she never wrote down her story. And she did never sing, wile she did in the movie. Also after consumated the marraige I've heared that Franz said 'I've laid her' as he probably did not in real life, and she is undressed by chambermaids before the wedding night, and after the wedding-night she got the Mogengabe, in form of golden coins. And when Archduchess Sophie dies she and Elisabeth have quite a discussion, while we know they didn't discuss at all by Sophie's deathbed.

Here is the torrent: http://tfile.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140209

If someone could provide the English subtitles I would be grateful :)

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« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2008, 12:14:25 PM »
Franz Josef did informed his mother and courtiers the night he made Sisi into a woman. She felt shy and dread the breakfast with Archduchess Sofie in the morning.

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« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2008, 12:43:54 PM »
I know he did informed the court about it but I can't imagine him saying it like that.

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« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2008, 12:46:55 PM »
Not surprising to me if he did. Franz Josef was never known to be sensitive...Especially it was official business to him.

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« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2008, 01:23:40 PM »
Maybe, anwyay. I guess we won't ever know the truth, unless it is found in a diary or something, or a letter.

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« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2008, 02:33:47 PM »
I am just saying that it is possible given his nature. It was this "dedication" that made Sisi fell out of love with him. He may look dashing and handsome, but he was a breaucrat at heart...

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« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2008, 03:53:12 PM »
Hmm, very hard to say and imagine what realy happened in that time. But anyway I expected that Archduchess Sophie asked him and he had to replied about previous night. So what he should have said? Franz Joseph always did almost everything what his mother expected from him.
Also as a son he was maybe to dutiful, what sometimes wasn't right solution.
He surely wasn't very sensitive man, but he wasn't rude as well... Maybe he considered it for official business too. Although I think, that his love and affection to her undoubtedly had not less importance that official side of that matter.