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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2008, 10:01:11 AM »
I think you have got a close up of the picture, don't you? Can you show it to us? Perhaps, it will be easier to identify this man, won't it?

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Yes,it's easier of course. At last I'm at home and can dig through my pictures : ))



Thanks a lot, Svetabel...I wonder who is this gentleman. I recognize neither Count of Caserta, nor his eldest son, duke of Calabria...

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #121 on: November 17, 2008, 10:42:12 AM »
I wonder who he was?

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #122 on: February 02, 2009, 08:25:37 AM »


This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #123 on: February 02, 2009, 08:33:54 AM »


This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

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Don't you think that the lady you recognized as Maria de las Mercedes is in fact Pilar, daughter of Paz and Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria?
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2009, 09:40:00 AM »
Guten Tag, Marie Charlotte
This pic was taken in Vatican a little time before the Second world war. The infants of Bayern were received  by the pope Pius XII. Pilar von Bayern was about 45 years old and her niece about 25...This is why I think she is Maria de las Mercedes of Bayern who married to Irakly in 1946. Maybe I am mistaken??? But the pic is very bad...Have you got a better one???

See the link very interesting (in spanish), page 28
http://www.adghn.org/confe/2005/baviera.pdf

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2009, 10:06:15 AM »
The link worked this time. Thanks.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2009, 11:13:02 AM »
Guten Tag, Marie Charlotte
This pic was taken in Vatican a little time before the Second world war. The infants of Bayern were received  by the pope Pius XII. Pilar von Bayern was about 45 years old and her niece about 25...This is why I think she is Maria de las Mercedes of Bayern who married to Irakly in 1946. Maybe I am mistaken??? But the pic is very bad...Have you got a better one???

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Bonjour REMI! :-)

I'm sorry, but I don't have a clearer version of this picture. I own a postcard which was written by Princess Pilar. In this card, she writes about Rome and - if I remember correctly - the Vatican. I have to look at the date once more. But I guess she wrote it shortly before WWII, which could mean that she was in Vatican with her family and could be the woman on the pic you posted.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2009, 11:14:38 AM by MarieCharlotte »
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2009, 11:23:26 AM »
....But the other lady on the right, who is she , on your opinion?
Thank you, Marie-Charlotte.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2009, 11:56:02 AM »
....And why Pilar (or Mercedes) did not wear medals?... Pilar was Lady of Holy Elisabeth et Teresa Orden. Mercedes had medals not yet at that time. Besides, I guess that Pilar (?) looks very young, doesn't she?

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2009, 12:12:06 PM »
Yes..It is possible to put a date on the photo ?

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2009, 12:51:57 PM »


This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

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Actually the lady at the very right is Maria de las Mercedes, spouse of Prince Bagration. And her Aunt Pilar is by her right side - she doesn't  look young, that's just blurry picture,but the features are hers.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2009, 01:29:01 PM »
Yes..It is possible to put a date on the photo ?

Maybe in 1935...On the occasion of the wedding of Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, count of Barcelona and Maria de la Mercedes of Borbon Dos Sicilias y Orleans.The Baviera were present
Three dates
1933 (july, 25th) marriage of José Eugenio and Marisol
1946 (august, 29th)marriage of Mercedes and Irakly Bagration
1946 (december, 4th) death of Maria de la Paz

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2009, 01:40:28 PM »


This pic is not very clear. I have recognized from left to right infant Luis Alfonso of Bayern, duchess of Talavera de la Reina; infant José Eugenio of Bayern; Infanta Maria de la Paz, grandmother of the infants; Marisol of Mesia y Lesseps, José Eugenio's spouse; infanta Maria de las Mecedes of Bayern, future wife of Irakly Bagration of Moukhransky...But who is the lady to the right?
Thank you for your help.

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Actually the lady at the very right is Maria de las Mercedes, spouse of Prince Bagration. And her Aunt Pilar is by her right side - she doesn't  look young, that's just blurry picture,but the features are hers.

In 1935, Maria de las Mercedes of Baviera y Borbon, future princess Bagration was only 25 years old.
I think the lady at very right looks  a little more older?..

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2009, 02:19:38 PM »
It is too blurry to be sure...

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2009, 02:37:14 PM »
I think so

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