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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2009, 03:49:11 PM »
Hard to confirm though...

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #136 on: April 02, 2009, 04:13:01 AM »
The now defunct weekly BLANCO Y NEGRO published in its issue dedicated to the inauguration of JCI a chart of the succession to the throne in which the last link was Fernando de Baviera, prince of the Royal House of Bavaria. How did this Wittelsbach get to figure as one of the potential heirs to the Spanish throne?

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #137 on: April 02, 2009, 06:35:38 AM »
Well, I didn't know that Ferdinand was in the line of succession to the Spanish throne, but the link between him and Spain is the following:

Prince Ferdinand Maria (Madrid 1884 - Madrid 1958) was the son of Prince Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria and Infanta Maria de la Paz of Spain. He was naturalized in Spain in 1905, renounced his Bavrian titles and rights to the Bavarian throne in 1914 and was given the title "Infant of Spain". His first wife was Maria Teresa of Spain, a daughter of King Alfonso XII and Archduchess Maria Christina. His descendents are all Infants of Spain.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #138 on: April 02, 2009, 07:53:16 AM »
The last princes of Bavaria who were "infantes de España" with rights to the Spanish throne were Ferdinand's three children:
1) Luis Alfonso of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1906-1983). Unmarried
2) José Antonio of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1909-1966) who married morganatically Marisol of Messia y Lesseps
3) Maria de las Mercedes of Bavaria y Borbon (1911-1953), infanta of Spain who married morganatically Irakly Bagration-Moukhransky.
José Antonio and his sister have lost their rights because their marriages.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2009, 10:17:14 AM »
Ferdinand and Maria Teresa had another daughter:

Maria del Pilar, Infanta of Spain, born Princess of Bavaria (Madrid 1912 - Madrid 1918)
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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #140 on: April 07, 2009, 02:43:24 PM »

Mercedes' marriage was not morganatic, as her father asked Grand Duke Wladimir about the Bagrations - and he convened several legal experts who ruled that the Bagrations were of equal rank.

The last princes of Bavaria who were "infantes de España" with rights to the Spanish throne were Ferdinand's three children:
1) Luis Alfonso of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1906-1983). Unmarried
2) José Antonio of Bavaria y Borbon, infant of Spain (1909-1966) who married morganatically Marisol of Messia y Lesseps
3) Maria de las Mercedes of Bavaria y Borbon (1911-1953), infanta of Spain who married morganatically Irakly Bagration-Moukhransky.
José Antonio and his sister have lost their rights because their marriages.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #141 on: April 07, 2009, 03:43:41 PM »
Well...That part is open to interpretation as many other royal experts are still convinced that the family is not of equal footing with other European royals.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2009, 02:16:17 PM »


Paz with her Mum Isabella and Baby

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #143 on: September 19, 2009, 04:06:18 PM »
I don't think it has been posted yet, tell me if I'm wrong :)

Infanta Maria de la Paz and Prince Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria (can't find a bigger version...)

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2010, 08:48:48 PM »
Wedding of Prince Adalbert and Css Augusta von Seefried auf Buttenheim...

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #145 on: January 29, 2010, 07:28:13 AM »
Well...That part is open to interpretation as many other royal experts are still convinced that the family is not of equal footing with other European royals.

True,but if her father asked he did it with the reason...he obviously valued Vladimir's opinion in terms of this situation and wanted to know how to treat this marriage...since Vladimir's opinion was in Bagration family favor than this marriage was treated equal despite other reasons who pointed out why should not be treated like this...

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #146 on: August 10, 2010, 07:53:55 AM »
Maria de la Paz. From the ANNO




 

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #147 on: August 10, 2010, 08:11:06 AM »
Like the lace hair onament.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #148 on: August 10, 2010, 08:16:05 AM »
Thats is a Mantilla.

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Re: The House of Baviera=Bavaria in Spain
« Reply #149 on: August 10, 2010, 11:24:15 AM »
I think a mantilla is much higher. When I was in Spain I saw it was a long lace supported by a huge comb. There is a difference from the ones Ena wore with with Paz is wearing here.