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Dane Romanov

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Grand Duchess Xenia
« on: August 17, 2004, 08:28:43 AM »
is there any desendent of Grand Duchess Xenia that is able to rule, wouldn't they take priority over it as Xenia was next in line anyway, after the Children of Nickolas

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2004, 09:04:23 AM »
We have discussed this a lot on this forum. Personally I believe they are best qualified. She had a daughter and six sons and her husband was also a Romanov. By British succession laws, a sister would rule if there wre no sons, or if her brothers were deceased, such as Elizabeth I. So by that rule, Xenia is the prime candidate. I would think a female decendant of the direct line would be more official than a male descendant of an indirect line. Old Russian law stated no woman could inherit the throne, but the pretender Maria Vladimorovna is a woman, and has less credientials! If I were looking for the true heir to the throne, it would be a descendant of Xenia and Sandro's oldest son, Andrew/Andre.
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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 02:50:50 AM »
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Old Russian law stated no woman could inherit the throne, but the pretender Maria Vladimorovna is a woman, and has less credientials!


the old Salic Law hasn't changed by now? It's almost 2006! ???

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2006, 12:31:41 AM »
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We have discussed this a lot on this forum. Personally I believe they are best qualified. She had a daughter and six sons and her husband was also a Romanov. By British succession laws, a sister would rule if there wre no sons, or if her brothers were deceased, such as Elizabeth I. So by that rule, Xenia is the prime candidate. I would think a female decendant of the direct line would be more official than a male descendant of an indirect line. Old Russian law stated no woman could inherit the throne, but the pretender Maria Vladimorovna is a woman, and has less credientials! If I were looking for the true heir to the throne, it would be a descendant of Xenia and Sandro's oldest son, Andrew/Andre.


Oy. It's not "old Russian law", it is the Fundamental Law of the Russian Empire. And, it did not "state no woman could inherit the throne", although this is a common misconception. The Russian succession law was semi-Salic, meaning women could only inherit when the male line was extinct. According to the law as some interpret it, that happened on the death of Vladimir Kirilovich in 1992. Which made Maria Vladimirovna, who has little other than credentials, the Empress de jure. Maria may be in dire need of political savvy and a makeover, but please don't dismiss her on the basis of credentials. And, if a woman is suitable to inherit as you say is the case with Xenia's descendants, why are you then saying Maria is not suitable in part because she's a woman. Sorry,  I don't follow.

The RFA has their own succession plan, and Andrei's two surviving sons follow Roman Petrovich's two sons.

And Leslie, the law to which you refer belongs to an Empire which fell in 1917.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2006, 03:00:02 PM »
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And Leslie, the law to which you refer belongs to an Empire which fell in 1917.

What does it mean? It is man that the Fundamental Law are  not longer applicable to an Empire that not longer exist?

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2006, 04:36:48 PM »
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And Leslie, the law to which you refer belongs to an Empire which fell in 1917.

What does it mean? It is man that the Fundamental Law are  not longer applicable to an Empire that not longer exist?


If I understand the question, yes, it means that there is no need to ridicule that "the old Salic law (which was never the law to begin with) hasn't changed by now". The law was changed by the Revolution, which eventually outlawed the monarchy, and by the breakup of the USSR, which established a republic as a responsible form of government.

As to whether or not the Fundamental Law (which was the law from 1799 - 1917) is applicable, that is a matter of discussion. What's not is that it is no matter an issue of law.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2006, 04:55:20 PM »
However, if the FL applies to the Romanov Family  itself, apart from the law of any formal State, then, GD Xenia's descendants are indeed disquaified from Headship of the House.  The only "LEGITIMATE" [de jure]  person for that role is GD Maria and through her, her son Georgi.
This, as I understand it, is the dispute between the RFA & GD Maria. In any case, none of them are claiming any non-existant throne.

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Re: Grand Duchess Xenia
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2006, 11:23:07 AM »
Certainly her descendents are closely related to Nicholas II, and both their ancestors were Romanovs ( Sandro and Xzenia). But it seems to me following the old rules that the modern day descenedants of the the line of Grand Duke Vladimir, Grand Duchess Maria and her son, probably have the best claim, not that it matters except as a who is the head of the house of Romanov issue.