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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2005, 12:13:01 PM »
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Oh yes! How could I forget, we share the same name! He was infante Gonzalo, and he only lived from 1914 to 1934!


He died in a car accident in Austria.
The car was driven by his sister Infanta Cristina.

You can also add the 3 Segóvias:
Alfonso de Borbon y Dampierre, duke of Cádiz (1936-89) who broke his neck in a ski accident.
Francisco de Borbon Martinez-Bordiú, his son (1972-84) who died in a car accident caused by Alfonso.
Gonzalo de Borbon y Dampierre (1937-2000) who died of a heart attack after a pitiful life.

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2005, 08:12:52 PM »
Yes...I think one or two of Ena's grandchildren also died tragically. She believed a curse had been placed on her when she converted from Anglican to Catholic.  :(

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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2006, 08:51:42 PM »
I think it's tragic that poor Queen Sophia has had to suffer her husband's infidelities through the years.   >:(

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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2006, 12:41:55 PM »
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She believed a curse had been placed on her when she converted from Anglican to Catholic.  :(


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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2006, 12:48:25 PM »
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Yes that's what I meant, I just didn't have the names in front so I wasn't sure about which daughter it was, but yes, that's what I meant. I've written to genealogy sites etc and none can tell me why little Weiller died...


Infant mortality does happen often.

I asked one of Olimpia's daughters several years ago if her little brother had died of hemophilia?  She said no, he did not.

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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2006, 12:54:06 PM »
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There is some discussion as to one of the daughters being a haemophiliac, but she denied it throughout her life, although one of her daughters had a son who died young.


Women are not hemophiliacs, but carriers of the genetic disease.

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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2006, 12:59:22 PM »
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He died in a car accident in Austria.
The car was driven by his sister Infanta Cristina.


It has always been said that the car was actually being driven by Infanta doña Beatriz, not doña María Cristina.

Fur, in his recently-published book of memoirs, Count Alessandro Lecquio di Assaba, Beatriz's eldest grandson, says that his grandmother told him Gonzalo was actually driving the car and not her.

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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2006, 01:04:15 PM »
For Ena's believe in a curse being put on her convertion from Anglican to Catholic. The source is Gerald Noel's book on Ena pg. 266.

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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2006, 08:52:19 PM »
Thank you...I will pursue this further.  Two of her descendants have told me that this is not true.

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2006, 12:28:18 AM »
I think it would be something that Ena will tell her English friends or relatives like Bee, Alice Athlone or Marie Louise. I am convinced there is more than has been written.  ;)

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2006, 09:23:58 AM »
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Women are not hemophiliacs, but carriers of the genetic disease.

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I know. Small mistake. Thanks for opening your eyes.

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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2006, 09:34:02 AM »
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It has always been said that the car was actually being driven by Infanta doña Beatriz, not doña María Cristina.

Fur, in his recently-published book of memoirs, Count Alessandro Lecquio di Assaba, Beatriz's eldest grandson, says that his grandmother told him Gonzalo was actually driving the car and not her.

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According a book I have on Queen Victoria Eugenia "On August 13th, Beatriz (Beatrice) was driving (a) car with her brother Gonzalo. They were going back to the villa that their father had rented out in Portschach, on the edge of Lake Worther, in Carinthia, next to the Italian and Yugoslavian borders.
A sudden move by a drunken cyclist, Richar van Neumann, suddenly made Beatriz turn the wheel, but lost control of the car and hit the outside walls of Krumpendorf Castle, near Klagenfurt.
Apparently, according to a Klagenfurt doctor, neither driver nor copilot sustained any injuries. However, when they got to their villa, the "infante" complained of intestinal pains. They urgently called a doctor, who diagnosed a severe internal haemorrhage".

Ena was sent a telegram to France, and after a terrible journey she amde her way to her dying son, whom they called "the Einstein" of the family. He was buried in the local cemetery awaiting re-buriel elsewhere. After the funeral, the exQueen travelled to London with her daughters while Alfonso went to Rome, an evident sign of their matrimonial fracas.

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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2006, 01:06:21 PM »
Mercedes de Baviera y Borbón was the third child of Infante Fernando Maria de Baviera Y Borbon and his first wife Infanta D. Maria Teresa de Borbon.

She was born in Madrid in 1911 and died there in 1953.

In 1946 she married Pr Irakli Bagration-Moukhransky in San Sebastian.
She was the 3rd of his 4 wives.

The couple had to children: Maria Victoria (b. 1947) and Bagrat (b. 1949).

Four years later she died just 42 years old.

What did she die of ?

Irakli was the brother of GD. Leonida of Russia.

Irakli’s son by 2nd wive Maria Antonietta Pasquini, Jorge,  is the current head of the House of Georgia.
He lives in Spain and was a successful pilot both in race tracks and rallies.
His present wife Nuria was his co-driver for many years.
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2006, 03:52:21 PM »

I don't know much about her, and I don't what was the cause of her death. She certainly was a bit unbalanced and prone to depression. Her marriage was an unhappy one, by the way.

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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2008, 05:04:09 PM »
I've discussed this with paediatricians at work. They all say that "female hemophilia" is lethal. female carriers can sometimes exhibit specific symptoms such as a prolonged bleeding time ( I think one of the GDs exhibited this when having her tonsils removed. Was it Tatiana?). and females can also be affected by other genetic bleeding diseases like Von Willebrands Disease.
Re transmission of hemophilia; defect carried on the X chromosome.
Affected male marries non carrier female=All daughters WILL be carriers. Male offspring NOT affected.
Carrier female marries non-affected male=any daughter has a 50/50 chance of carrying. Any male offspring has a 50/50 chance of being a sufferer.

You did your home work however there are different types of Hemophilia. My son the great-grandson of Don Jaime de Borbon has type C. Yes that was carried by ME. Type C affects the joints and causes bruising with very little effort. My son Jaime has type C. With any luck through the filtering of fresh blood and genes his daughter will not continue to carry this X chromosome defect.