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Tragic Bourbons
« on: July 26, 2005, 11:22:34 AM »
Prince don Alonso de Borbón y Sajonia-Coburgo-Gotha died in action outside Madrid on November 18, 1936.

In total about a dozen Bourbons were killed/executed/died in action during the Spanish civil war.  Somehow the massacre of the Romanovs captured the imagination of people, but not that of the Bourbons.

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Re: Tragic Bourbons
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2005, 06:53:22 PM »
king Louis I of Spain (1707-1724) was the son of King Philip V and Maria Luisa of Savoy. His father abdicated on him in 1724, but he died 7 months later when he was just 17 years old.

Infanta Maria Teresa (1726-1746) was one of the daughters of King Philip V and Elisabetta Farnese. She was married to the French Dauphin and died in childbirth if I'm not mistaken.

Isabella of Parma (1741-1763) was married to the then crown prince (later emperor) Joseph of Austria. She died of smallpox, leaving her husband heartbroken.

Infanta Maria Amalia (1779-1798) was one of the daughters of King Charles IV of Spain and Maria Luisa of Parma. She married her paternal uncle, infante Antonio, but died 3 years later.

Infanta Maria del Pilar (1861-1879), daughter of Queen Isabella II and her consort Francisco de Asis, died unmarried when she was just 18 years old.

Maria Amelia de Orleans (1851-70) was the second daughter of the Duke of Montpensier and infanta Luisa Fernanda, and died unmarried when she was 19.

Maria Cristina de Orleans (1852-1879), third daughter of the Duke of Montpensier, also died unmarried at 26.

Fernando de Orleans (1859-1873) was the first son of the Duke and Duchess of Montpensier, and died at 14.

Infante Fernando (1832-1854) was a younger brother of Francisco de Asis (Isabella II's consort). He died unmarried at 22.
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Re: Tragic Bourbons
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 06:23:40 AM »
More tragic Borbones...

At least two of the children of Victoria Eugenia and Alfonso XIII - the hemophiliac and the mute...

Infante Alfonso brother of Juan Carlos I - killed in an accident while cleaning a gun.

The Countess of Barcelona who apparently never really recovered from this accident.

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Re: Tragic Bourbons
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 06:25:32 AM »
Alfonso XIII's haemophilic son was also called Alfonso, I beleive, and the deaf one was Jaime, who was not actually mute but never learned how to speal properly.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2005, 06:32:56 AM »

Elena de Borbón y de Muguiro (1890-1910), daughter of Francisco de Borbón y Borbón, Duke of Marchena and of the duchess of Villafranca María del Pilar de Muguiro y Beruete. She died of tuberculosis when she wasn't yet 20!

Isabel Patino y de Borbón (1935-1954), daughter of the duchess of Dúrcal, a descendant of infante Sebastián Gabriel. She died soon after giving birth aged 19.

Orsetta Caracciolo (1940-1968), first wife of Marco Torlonia, cousin of King Juan Carlos.

Paul Alexandre Weiller (1971-1975) and his sister Laura Daphne Lavinia (1974-1980). Grandchildren of infanta Beatriz, daughter of Alfonso XIII. One of them died in a car accident the other one I can't recall.

María Mercedes (1880-1904) and  María Teresa (1882-1912) de Borbón. sisters of Alfonso XIII they both shared the same tragic fate, dying young after giving birth.

Luis Alfonso de Baviera y Mesía (1942-1966), son of the infante José Eugenio de Baviera y Borbón, himself a grandson of Alfonso XII. He died in a car wreck.


Alfonso Márquez y Patino (1936-1994), Marquis of Castro, brother-in-law of the previous as he was married to María Teresa de Baviera y Mesía. He also died in a car wreck.

Alfonso Carlos de Borbón y Habsburgo-Lorena (1849-1936), Carlist pretender, son of Carlist King Juan III and Beatriz of Austria-Este. He died after having been ran over by a car.

María de la Paz de Borbón y Borbón (1862-1946), daughter of Isabel II, she died after falling from the stairs.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2005, 06:33:29 AM »
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Alfonso XIII's haemophilic son was also called Alfonso, I beleive, and the deaf one was Jaime, who was not actually mute but never learned how to speal properly.



Alfonso and Ena also had a stillborn son in 1910 who would have been called Fernando!

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2005, 06:34:51 AM »
Their youngest son was haemophilic too . . . Alonso, or something?
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2005, 06:37:33 AM »
Oh yes! How could I forget, we share the same name! He was infante Gonzalo, and he only lived from 1914 to 1934!

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2005, 06:39:55 AM »
Gonzalo and his eldest brother Alfonso were certainly heamophiliacs. There is some discussion as to one of the daughters being a haemophiliac, but she denied it throughout her life, although one of her daughters had a son who died young... Today there is no haemophilia in any Royal House.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2005, 06:51:09 AM »
There is sort of special 'rule' governing haemophilia - something like, if a carrier has children, roughly half her sons will be haemophiliacs but her daughters will not be carriers, whereas if a haemophiliac has children, his sons will be healthy but all his daughters will be carriers, or something like that.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2005, 07:16:47 AM »
Haemophilia is "fairly" simple to trace (at least easier than Porphyria). If a man (xY, x being the infected gene) marries a healthy woman (XX), they will have FOR SURE healthy sons (all XX) and FOR SURE infected daughters (all will be Xx, the infected x from their father and the healthy X from their mum). That's why Prince Leopold of Albany had a healthy son, Charlie, and an infected daughter, Alice Athlone. When a female carrier (Xx) married a healthy man (XY) they would have an average of 50% healthy sons and 50% non-carrier daughters. The infected sons, like the Spanish infantes Alfonso and Gonzalo, would have infected female issue and healthy male issue. Of the carrier daughters, so MAY pass it on to their sons with the same average possibilities of 50%. Out of QV's 4 sons just one had heamophilia, but out of Irene of Prussia's 3, 2 were heamophiliacs. Apparently heamophilia doesn't exist in the evins of royalty nowadays, although it could well be still in the evins of a Princess descended through the female line from a proven carrier (Victoria Eugenia for example).

However, let su examine a more complex case: Imagine a female carrier (Xx) and a Male sufferer (xY). They may have a healthy son (the healthy X from his mother and the always healthy Y of his father). Any daughter will of course be a carrier because she will inherit the infected X of her father and the healthy X of her mother. BUT! What is she inherits the infected X from her mother too? Then she would be a heamophiliacwoman!!! The case is rare but I think it has happened, though it's most unlikelya nd unlucky to actually get a heamophiliac to marry a carrier. As a side note, the female sufferer would not survive her first period, for she would die of violent internal bleeding.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2005, 02:53:29 PM »
I've discussed this with paediatricians at work. They all say that "female haemophilia" is lethal. female carriers can sometimes exhibit specific symptoms such as a prolonged bleeding time ( I think one of the GDs exhibited this when having her tonsils removed. Was it Tatiana?). and females can also be affected by other genetic bleeding diseases like Von Willebrands Disease.
Re transmission of haemophilia; defect carried on the X chromosome.
Affedted male marries non carrier female=All daughters WILL be carriers. Male offspring NOT affected.
Carrier female marries non-affected male=any daughter has a 50/50 chance of carrying. Any male offspring has a 50/50 chance of being a sufferer.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2005, 02:56:27 PM »
Thanks for explaining that, cimbrio and Kim. It was perhaps just slightly more detailed than my hodge-podge explanation.  ;)
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Re: Tragic Bourbons
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2005, 08:26:37 AM »
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Gonzalo and his eldest brother Alfonso were certainly heamophiliacs. There is some discussion as to one of the daughters being a haemophiliac, but she denied it throughout her life, although one of her daughters had a son who died young... Today there is no haemophilia in any Royal House.


This is a rumor really, never proven.  Infanta's Beatriz's daughter married Mr. Weiler and there only son, among several daughters, died young.  The cause of death has never been PUBLICLY revealed.

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2005, 10:01:55 PM »
Yes that's what I meant, I just didn't have the names in front so I wasn't sure about which daughter it was, but yes, that's what I meant. I've written to genealogy sites etc and none can tell me why little Weiller died...