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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2009, 06:14:54 PM »
A bigger version would be better. I think "The Last Courts Of Europe" had a version of that photo.

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #76 on: March 08, 2009, 07:53:10 PM »
A bigger version would be better. I think "The Last Courts Of Europe" had a version of that photo.

No, it is not in "Last Courts."
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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2009, 03:51:32 AM »
Rhe internet is a wonderful source of material but at times it can be infuriatingly confusing. I have three images below which have different identifications. Can anyone help me to ascribe the proper name to the appropriate picture. Of course it may not be either of the two suggested identities.



Charles Comte de Vendôme (1489-1537)
Charles III D of Montpensier (1489-1527)



 
Louis I Prince de la Roche sur Yon (d 1520)
Louis  de Montpensier (1483-1501




Jean II Duc de Bourbon (1426-88)
Jean II Comte de Vendôme (1425-77)

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2009, 03:19:48 PM »
Wow! Shes Beaaautiful =] But I Doubt It Is Madame de Provence..She Was Thought To Be Very Unattractive..

It Could Be The Mother Of Louis Philippe I of the French ''Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon'' - Louise Marie Adélaïde Was A Beauty And One Of The First Patrons Of Vigée-Le Brun. 
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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2009, 06:07:09 PM »
There are several women with the more or less the same motif in the portrait...if it is a Bourbon Princess I would take Princess Elisabeth Philippine de Bourbon(same hair,blue ribbon),sister of Louis XVI...but there are also similarities in dress,hair,flowers etc with the paintings of Countess Potocka or Princess von Salm-Kyrburg(they should be somewhere on the site too)

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« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2009, 11:47:04 PM »
I don't think it could be Countess of Provence. I've seen a lot of pics of her and she is not a bit similar to her. However, this lady has a lot of Duchess of Artois facial features. She was the younger sister of Countess of Provence but much more beatiful than her. Poor Countess of Provence was quite ugly, and her father lectured her by mail about her lacking of bath, washing of her teeth and body care. It seems that she couldn't get the way to make her husband like her.

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2009, 02:28:18 AM »
Yes, I have read also that the Countess de Provence was unattractive but not in this painting by Vigée-Le Brun

http://www.batguano.com/vigeeart125.html

here is Elizabeth of France
http://www.batguano.com/vlmelisaoval.jpg

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2009, 11:18:36 PM »
Yes. I knew both portraits . In Vigée Lebrun's painting Mme. de Provence is a lot flattered, even if you can affirm she is still not a beauty of her time. I know a lot other paintings of her, and she was not dinamite...Vigée Lebrun did the better she could to get her mildly beatiful.

And yes; the second painting represents Elizabeth , Louis XVI's sister. Since my favorite part of history is French Revolution I also knows many other paintings and garvures representing her. She is similar to the portrait showed first in this thread, but it is more similar to the facial features of Mme. of Artois. I'll try to post some pic of her, just to discuss a little further! :D

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2009, 06:30:09 PM »
What beautiful Lady! Certainly I don't know who is she, is the first time that I see it.

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #84 on: September 22, 2009, 08:24:49 PM »
I have the same problem with this picture. According to several websites this is Charles, count of Berry (1686-1714), but in the book about Louis XIV
by Nancy Mitford he is Louis le grand Dauphin (1661-1711), so the father of Charles. Can someone help??



this is not le Grand Dauphin but his youngest legitimate son, Charles de France (1686-1714)

he married his Orléans cousin, Marie Louise Élisabeth d'Orléans, favourite daughter of the Regent; they had three children but none of them lived over a year..:(

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as for the other portraits, i dont have a clue lol
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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #85 on: September 23, 2009, 01:45:46 AM »
This is an interesting identification problem! Wikipedia shows this as Charles Duke of Berry however if you look at this painting of  Louis, Dauphin of France with his wife and family you can see this is the same man. He has three children and this is definitely Maria Anna of Bavaria. So, what do you think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Duchess_Maria_Anna_Christina_Victoria_of_Bavaria,_%27la_Grande_Dauphine%27..jpg

Here is the Family Painting of the Dauphin in the middle of the page

http://www.louis-xiv.de/index.php?id=66
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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #86 on: September 23, 2009, 09:43:00 PM »
LOL! maria anna [i love her lol] is defo in thar pic..

and your quite right about Louis and his son charles...

i do think tiz charles though :P
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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #87 on: September 30, 2009, 07:43:59 PM »
This is a beautiful portait of a lady by Vigée-Le Brun...Do anyone know who she was?Could she be Gabrielle de Polignac or is she too young? Thank you





I wonder if it is the Duchess's daughter,La Duchesse de Guiche?

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #88 on: October 01, 2009, 02:21:59 AM »
Duchesse de Guiche from the Vigee le Brun site listed under 1783 by Vigee Le Brun
http://www.batguano.com/vlbdeguiche.jpg

http://www.batguano.com/vigeepaints.htmlhttp://

 

According to this book I am reading about Rose Bertin styles came and went fast. 1781-1783 has been mentioned as the year the Rose became fashionable for the hair, before then it had been the elaborate hair with plumes.   In which case here is the Vigee Le Brun list for Clients She painted in 1781

1 Young girl smelling a rose
1 Mme Young
1 Count de Cosse
1 Princess de CroyesandArt Page 95 has a link
1 Mme de Saint-Alban andArt Page 26 link
1 M de Landry
[Vigee Le Brun made a journey into Flanders with husband and saw at Antwerp the famous "chapeau de paille" by Rubens which influenced self portrait"b" in 1782 - below]
2 Portraits of Mme Vigee Le Brun
[Self Portrait "#1" (Private collection) andArt Page 45]
[Self Portrait "#2" (Kimbell Art Museum, Texas) andArt Page 1]
[Self Portrait copy "#3", Metropolitan Museum, NY]andArt Page 82
1 Monsieur, brother of the King
1 Copy of same
1 Duchess de Chaulnes
1 Mme Dumoley
1 M Dumoley, the younger
1 Countess Du BarryArt Page 43 [French private collection] link
1 Sketch for a picture of Juno
1 Venus, study of a head
1 Mme d'Harvelay
5 Studies of heads
2 Mmle de Laborde
1 Mlle Devaronv
1 Mme Moreton
1 Copy of M Moreton
1 Mme de la Porte
3 Princess Lamballe, painting no. 1 andArt Page 128, painting no. 2 andArt Page 136 (included all these as further Paintings of the
painting no. 3 andArt Page 128                                                                            Princess Lamballe)
[Princess Lamballe Pastel] andArt Page 100
[Princess Lamballe] andArt Page 153

 In 1782 We have these two as possible Candidates:
1 Mme de Verdun
1 Mme de Chatenay

In 1783 We have this one as a possible Candidate: all others have links to look at their Paintings
1 Mlle Lavigne

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Re: Identification,please
« Reply #89 on: October 01, 2009, 03:42:12 AM »
I've looked at this Painting way too long but I throw out one more Candidate:
Countess de Fries 1793...look at the right curl, the shape of the eyebrows and the hands

http://www.batguano.com/ctesdefries.jpg