Identification,please

[Clelia]

Oh! Could you share it please? I would be very grateful...

[REMI]

I never saw a photo of the duchess of Nemours. I am not sure one exists...

There is a photo of Victoire on her deathbed.

Marie Charlotte, I have got this pic of the Orléans taken in Great Britain about 1855. I think that we can see Victoria von Sachsen Coburg und Gotha, duchess of Nemours, but I am not sure...
According to me, we can recognize, sitting from left to right: duke of Nemours with (?) her daughter Marguerite, future princess Czartoryski (1846-1893); duchess of Aumale (+1869) and his son Louis Philippe, prince of Condé (1845-1866); duchess of Orléans (??) dead in 1858 or princess of Joinville (??) dead in 1898; Clémentine d'Orléans, princess of Saxony Coburg and Gotha.
Standing, from left to right: count of Paris, duke of Chartres; prince of Joinville; duke of Aumale and, I guess, Victoria of Saxony Coburg and Gotha, duchess of Nemours.

REMI

[REMI]

I never saw a photo of the duchess of Nemours. I am not sure one exists...

There is a photo of Victoire on her deathbed.

Here is Victoria, duchss of Nemours on her deathbed in 1857, in Claremont (GB)

REMI

[MarieCharlotte]

I never saw a photo of the duchess of Nemours. I am not sure one exists...

There is a photo of Victoire on her deathbed.

Marie Charlotte, I have got this pic of the Orléans taken in Great Britain about 1855. I think that we can see Victoria von Sachsen Coburg und Gotha, duchess of Nemours, but I am not sure...
According to me, we can recognize, sitting from left to right: duke of Nemours with (?) her daughter Marguerite, future princess Czartoryski (1846-1893); duchess of Aumale (+1869) and his son Louis Philippe, prince of Condé (1845-1866); duchess of Orléans (??) dead in 1858 or princess of Joinville (??) dead in 1898; Clémentine d'Orléans, princess of Saxony Coburg and Gotha.
Standing, from left to right: count of Paris, duke of Chartres; prince of Joinville; duke of Aumale and, I guess, Victoria of Saxony Coburg and Gotha, duchess of Nemours.

REMI

Thanks a lot. I agree with you, but I am also not sure about this lady next to Clémentine.

[Clelia]

I never saw a photo of the duchess of Nemours. I am not sure one exists...

There is a photo of Victoire on her deathbed.

Here is Victoria, duchss of Nemours on her deathbed in 1857, in Claremont (GB)

REMI

Thank you Remi. That is a disturbing picture, because of her open mouth I think...

[PrinceEddy1864]

I never saw a photo of the duchess of Nemours. I am not sure one exists...

There is a photo of Victoire on her deathbed.

Marie Charlotte, I have got this pic of the Orléans taken in Great Britain about 1855. I think that we can see Victoria von Sachsen Coburg und Gotha, duchess of Nemours, but I am not sure...
According to me, we can recognize, sitting from left to right: duke of Nemours with (?) her daughter Marguerite, future princess Czartoryski (1846-1893); duchess of Aumale (+1869) and his son Louis Philippe, prince of Condé (1845-1866); duchess of Orléans (??) dead in 1858 or princess of Joinville (??) dead in 1898; Clémentine d'Orléans, princess of Saxony Coburg and Gotha.
Standing, from left to right: count of Paris, duke of Chartres; prince of Joinville; duke of Aumale and, I guess, Victoria of Saxony Coburg and Gotha, duchess of Nemours.

REMI

Thanks a lot. I agree with you, but I am also not sure about this lady next to Clémentine.

I think this certainly looks to be the Princess of Joinville. She looks quite a bit like her daughter Francoise as well.

If that doesnt tip the scales...the women seems far too young to be the Duchess d'Orleans, who was 10 years older than the Princess de Joinville.

[Mari]

I wish We could see a larger view of this photo but I also think this is the  Princess de Joinville mostly due to the shape of the mouth and chin and age! the Princess de Joinville would be 31 if I am adding correctly and the Duchess of Orleans 41!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/braganza/braganza3/1824%2520Francisca.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/bourbon/bborleans2.htm&usg=__mG8DOm2zLpfGZW6xY-mfKTvNdRs=&h=555&w=431&sz=32&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=5k-jreJCryIJgM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPrincess%2Bof%2BJoinville%2B1898%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26newwindow%3D1

also

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Francisca_Joinville.jpg/69px-Francisca_Joinville.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Princess_Francisca_of_Brazil&usg=__3QUxjMQkh163-jQFsOiqQ26iXtw=&h=119&w=69&sz=3&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=EDAHEUPu0ZyEUM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=51&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPrincess%2BFrancisca%2Bof%2BBrazil%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DKTT%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1%26newwindow%3D1

Duchess of Orleans in 1839

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mecklembourg-Strelitz,_Helene.jpg

[PrinceEddy1864]

In my opinion the quality is more a factor than the size. It almost looks to be a composite. Chartres just doesnt look right.


I also am not sure the young boy is Conde. He had rather distinguishable deep-set eyes at that age. I wonder if it is the duc de Penthievre???

However the boy looks enough like Francois Guise (I KNOW not him he was 1 when this was taken,) to at least be his brother.

GREAT IMAGE!!!

[Eric_Lowe]

Great Images. I am glad that the website got the Orleans figured out. I got confused by the branches as they have the same names...Louise, Marie...

[PrinceEddy1864]

I am sorry, you are absolutely correct REMI, this is certainly Conde.




Sorry.

[PrinceEddy1864]

While we are doing group shots...lets try this one.

This is what I think:
(Standing back L-R) Gaston Eu, Duc d'Aumale, duc de Penthievre, Philipp Saxe-Coburg, August Saxe-Coburg, duc de Chartres, duc d'Alencon, Amelie Saxe-Coburg, duc de Nemours,

I am out of time and can only place the little boy on the groud as Francois, duc de Guise and the young girl standing behind him as Francoise Joinville (later duchess de Chartres.)

Anybody wanna offer their opinions?

[PrinceEddy1864]

here a bit bigger.

[PrinceEddy1864]

I think now the young girl is Marguerite rather than Francoise.

And the youngest girl likely, Blanche.

c. 1859/60 then.



That may also be Conde in the back, to the right of Penthievre.

[Eric_Lowe]

When was this taken ?

[Clelia]

I think Clementine Saxe Coburg is in the middle, looking down. The woman next to her could be her daughter Clotilde.
And the woman sitting in front of Duc de Nemours looks like Francoise duchesse de Chartres...
But the photo is still small, so it's difficult to see