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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #420 on: September 22, 2008, 04:19:56 AM »
It means Lisa that 88 is a good age.
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #421 on: September 22, 2008, 04:46:22 AM »
To all our friends.


It is my unfortunate honour to inform you that HH Prince Michael Andreevich of Russia passed away this mornig at 0205hrs Australian Eastern Standard time.
He was the grand nephew of a Tsar, great grandson of another.
May God rest his soul, and give him the peace that he craved and deserved.
Funeral arrangements are being made as we speak, to be conducted on Monday the 29th of September 2008.
By order of his family, all are invited to attend.
He was a true gentleman.


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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #422 on: September 22, 2008, 06:24:08 AM »
I am so terribly sorry to hear this sad news.

May he now be with his family and in God's care.

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #423 on: September 22, 2008, 03:43:46 PM »
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HH Prince Michael Andreevich Romanov 
Written by Professor David Flint AM     
Monday, 22 September 2008 


[ Sotirios Mourtzas, the President of the Pan Maniot Union of Australia, Lou Bougias, Nick Triantafillou, HH Prince Michael of Russia - Royal Protector and Sovereign Grand Prior of the Sovereign Order of the Orthodox Knights Hospitaller of Saint John of Jerusalem , Peter Stefanidis and George Bougias at an Investiture Dinner in Melbourne, 2008. ]

 

HH Prince Michael Andreevich Romanov of Russia, who lived in Sydney, passed away on Sunday, 21 September, 2008.

Prince Michael served in the Royal Navy in the Second World War, including a period in Australia with the Fleet Air Arm.

On the conclusion of the war he settled permanently in Australia and became an aviation engineer. A member of the Russian Imperial Family, and Vice President of the Romanov Family Association, Prince Michael was born on the 15th of July, 1920 in Versailles.

The second child and eldest son of Prince Andrei Alexandrovich of Russia and Donna Elisabetha Ruffo, he was the  grandson of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich and Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna of Russia and a great nephew of Nicholas II, the last Emperor of Russia.

Prince Michael lived with his parents and his grandmother Grand Duchess Xenia in exile at Frogmore Cottage on the grounds of Windsor Castle and later at Wilderness House.




....Russia finally reconciled......




He was the Royal protector and Sovereign Grand Prior of the Orthodox Order of Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem, formerly under the protection of his father Prince Andrei and uncle Prince Vasili.

Earlier this year, Prince Michael presided at the Investiture of new Knights and Dames into the Order. The picture above was taken at the dinner following the Investiture.

On 28 September 2006, in scenes recalling the splendour of Imperial Russia, Prince Michael was an honoured guest at the interment of the Danish born mother of the last Tsar of Russia, Her Imperial Majesty, The Tsaritsa Maria Feodorovna, in the sombre Fortress of St. Peter and St. Paul in the  great imperial city of Peter the Great, St. Petersburg.

This was in many ways a final reconciliation of Russia to the terrible wrongs visited upon the Romanov Family and the Russian people for the evils of Boshevism. Their promise of paradise on earth had, as Fyodor Dostoevsky long ago predicted, resulted in a time of madness.

And it was a madness portrayed not as the monstrosity it was, but as something beautiful.

The Prince would have been deeply moved  when , just as they did when  she had first come to Russia as a young Princess,  cannon from the Fortress boomed out in a solemn imperial salute in honour of the Empress as she made her final journey home to her beloved Russia.






...tributes pour in.....




 Prince Michael was a dignified and reserved man, with a strong sense of duty, as evidenced by his enlistment in the Royal Navy.

Tributes are pouring in from those who are mourning a great man.

He will be greatly missed.

Mr Bryan Stertern-Gill, the Deputy Bailiff Prior of the OOSJ, Chairman of the Australian Monarchist League (Victoria) and ACM supporter, said:

"HH Prince Michael will be very, very sadly missed. He was our Royal Protector and Sovereign Grand Prior, a committed Orthodox Christian and Constitutional Monarchist. He was a person of great strength, support and love.

" Personally, he was like a mentor to me and a very close and personal family friend. Every time he visited Melbourne he stayed with us and we considered him part of our family. His loss will be greatly felt by all who knew him." 

George Bougias ,OOSJ, International Convenor of ACM and member of the AML  said:

 "HH Prince Michael was one of those rare individuals that reminded us it is possible – and indeed necessary – to live the great ideals in the modern age.

"He was a man of deep faith, tradition and honour but also gracious and joyful. He was always willing to spend time with people and help those in need. His love for both Australia and Russia was immense.

"I consider myself extremely fortunate to have known him and will miss him greatly. OOSJ members and all Monarchists will always remember him, through both our prayers and actions."

The Prince is survived by his widow, Princess Michael, to whom we offer our most sincere sympathy.

It is anticipated, subject to confirmation,  that the funeral will be held at 430pm on Monday, 29 September, 2008 at St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Church,  31 Robertson Road Centennial Park NSW 2121 Russian Orthodox Church. 

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #424 on: October 31, 2008, 12:31:27 PM »
For sake of argument and discussion purpose let's all agree/assume that GD George is the rightful heir.  If George does not marry and produce an heir, who would be the heir under the "Old Laws".  It is my understanding Maria and George stake their claim to the nonexistent Russian throne on the "Old Laws"

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #425 on: October 31, 2008, 01:24:46 PM »
Sorry I cannot agree with you as teh Vlad's fail on a number of points in many peoples view
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #426 on: October 31, 2008, 01:57:41 PM »
Sorry I cannot agree with you as teh Vlad's fail on a number of points in many peoples view


I understand and agree with you that there are problems with GD George being the rightful heir but I was asking a hypothetical questions for discussion purposes only.

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #427 on: October 31, 2008, 02:17:38 PM »
Whether or not people agree with the legitimists views,  it is the only "legal" option under the so-called "Old Laws". Also, there are no other so-called claims to the "throne", Head of the house is another matter, but basically, that has nothing to do with the Romanov succession.
 TB, as I understand it,  George must marry "equally" and produce an  heir, according to those old laws you mention. {the Fundamental Laws}.
 If that does not happen, IMO the legitimist line is therefore extinct. I am only going by the pragmatic, strictly leagl view, no emotions, no romanticism.
 Lisa probably knows more about this than I, and my usual  source on Imperial Law is unavailable at this time.
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #428 on: October 31, 2008, 02:30:21 PM »
For sake of argument and discussion purpose let's all agree/assume that GD George is the rightful heir.  If George does not marry and produce an heir, who would be the heir under the "Old Laws".  It is my understanding Maria and George stake their claim to the nonexistent Russian throne on the "Old Laws"

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Arguably, the dynasty continues even though it is no longer connected with the headship of state of Russia. Upon the death of the last dynast, Grand Duke Vladmir Kirilovich, in 1992, the heir should have been the closest female dynast to the last tsar. At that point, it becomes complicated (or should I say more complicated?).

If the last tsar was Nicholas II, then the closest female dynast was his sister Xenia, who was by then also deceased. Her male heir of line was Prince Michael Andreivich, because he was the eldest son of her eldest son, and after his recent death, her heir of line is now Prince Andrei Andreivich of Inverness, CA, USA. The problem with this line with some Russian monarchists is that both MA and AA did not contract dynastic marriages.

However, Prince Rostislav Alexandrovich married into one of the oldest princely families, the Galitzines. So, many consider his surviving sons to be the most logical heirs.

If the last tsar was Grand Duke Vladimir (dynasties out of power traditionally do not formally assume titles beyond that of the heir), then the closest female dynast was his daughter, Maria, and her male heir of line is Grand Duke George Mikhailovich.

Should his line fail, the closest female dynast would be Grand Duchess Maria Kirilovna, who is also deceased, but has qualified heirs.

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #429 on: October 31, 2008, 02:50:17 PM »
Thanks, Lisa, I had forgotten about Maria K.
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #430 on: November 01, 2008, 03:21:28 AM »
The Vlad's? I wold rather marinate my toe nails and have a salad with them
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #431 on: November 01, 2008, 05:53:35 AM »
From wiki,


"During the February Revolution of 1917, upon the abdication of the tsar, Cyril came with his regiment to swear allegiance to the provisional government, wearing a red revolutionary band on his uniform.[6][1] This caused grave offence in the Imperial Family and led to many members shunning him as legitimate heir to the Throne."

Solely for this reason, irrespective that Princess Maria is a very nice person,the true claimants are the decendants of GD Xenia.




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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #432 on: November 01, 2008, 07:16:07 AM »
From wiki,


"During the February Revolution of 1917, upon the abdication of the tsar, Cyril came with his regiment to swear allegiance to the provisional government, wearing a red revolutionary band on his uniform.[6][1] This caused grave offence in the Imperial Family and led to many members shunning him as legitimate heir to the Throne."

Solely for this reason, irrespective that Princess Maria is a very nice person,the true claimants are the decendants of GD Xenia.



I know Irina did not marry equally.  How many of Xenia's sons married equally or made approved dynastic matches?

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #433 on: November 01, 2008, 02:22:35 PM »
None.
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #434 on: November 01, 2008, 06:55:16 PM »
Then under the "old Laws" none of Xenia's are eligible for the succession if there still was a succession, correct?

It is staring to look like the King of Greece may be Tsar under the "Old Laws"!  LOL! LOL!

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