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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #510 on: March 06, 2010, 04:45:29 AM »
Interesting point I find that also Georgi Yuryeski (greatgrandson of Alexander II and Ekaterina Dolgorukaya) is in discussion. Though his grandfather was born illegimate he has more russian blood in him than some of the romanovs today and before. Think about, that the tsars do not marry a russian woman since Peter III. who himself was just halfblood russian (besides the theory that Paul was not his son). S
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #511 on: March 06, 2010, 04:49:53 AM »
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Interesting point I find that also Georgi Yuryeski (greatgrandson of Alexander II and Ekaterina Dolgorukaya) is in discussion. Though his grandfather was born illegimate he has more russian blood in him than some of the romanovs today and before. Think about, that the tsars do not marry a russian woman since Peter III. who himself was just halfblood russian (besides the theory that Paul was not his son). S
If you're gonna bring up Russian blood then you have to forget all the Romanov's then.

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #512 on: March 06, 2010, 05:11:27 AM »
That might be. I just said that he is in discussion by many russians and - I saw an interview with him a few years ago - claim himself the right heir to Alexander II (not to the throne!).
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #513 on: March 06, 2010, 05:33:16 AM »
That might be. I just said that he is in discussion by many russians and - I saw an interview with him a few years ago - claim himself the right heir to Alexander II (not to the throne!).
Lol, that is a bit like saying you are the true heir of the Pope, isn't it?

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I think my objection to the Vladimirovichi is that since 1928 they have used their decidedly theoretical powers under the Fundamental Law only to the benefit of themselves!
I think 99% of non-reigning royalty using their 'theoretical' powers to benefit themselves...
Lol! Following that train of thought: Has anybody ever voiced the suggestion that when Grand Duke Vladimir Cyrillovich vouched for the Ebenbürtigkeit of the Bagrations to the Spanish RF two years prior to his own Bagration marriage (and got to know his future wife through the process) he did it with the ulterior motive that a Bagration could provide a handy, obtainable, Orthodox spouse for an exiled pretender like himself?
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #514 on: March 06, 2010, 05:43:48 AM »
That might be. I just said that he is in discussion by many russians and - I saw an interview with him a few years ago - claim himself the right heir to Alexander II (not to the throne!).
Lol, that is a bit like saying you are the true heir of the Pope, isn't it?

Yes, it is ;) Besides that he is nearly fifty, unmarried and childless...not a good precondition for getting tsar, is it? :)
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #515 on: March 06, 2010, 02:42:19 PM »
Actually, Prince George Yurievsky has been married since 2003 to Katharina Verhagen. But, they are indeed childless.

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #516 on: March 06, 2010, 02:47:05 PM »
Than I missed that. Thank you, Benjamin!
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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #517 on: March 06, 2010, 06:50:50 PM »
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That might be. I just said that he is in discussion by many russians and - I saw an interview with him a few years ago - claim himself the right heir to Alexander II (not to the throne!).
Actually I think the consensus of most Russian Monarchists organizations seem to be by far in favour of Grand Duchess Maria V and her son.

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #518 on: March 08, 2010, 05:38:31 PM »
Reference some of this discussion:

The demand is for a spouse of a reigning family (whether their ancestry would be morganatic is irrelevant if they are regarded as of Royal birth in their own country)
For example the montenegrin princesses who married into the Russian Imperial house were regarded as being equal even though their family had only recently become reigning.
Incidentally much has been made of the Orthodox mother (that rule only applied to the wife of the heir) and whether or not your mother was or wasn't Orthodox didn't affect your membership of the dynasty.

So in strict order - the female dynastic descendants based on a Russian Succession up to Grand Duke Kyril (therefore his daugthers and sisters before the daughters of his uncle the Emperor Alexander III)

this ignore religion and divorces however i have excluded those in line who would not be regarded as members of a reigning or former reigning family.

Grand Duchess Marie Kyrillovna d 1951

Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen
HSH Princess Cécilia of Leiningen (b 1988), daughter of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen
Theresa Prinzessin zu Leiningen (b 1992), daughter of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen
HSH The Prince of Leiningen (Andreas, b 1955), brother of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen
HSH The Hereditary Prince of Leiningen (Ferdinand, b 1982), son of Prince Andreas of Leiningen
HSH Prince Hermann of Leiningen (b 1987), son of Prince Andreas of Leiningen
HSH Princess Olga of Leiningen (b 1984), daughter of Prince Andreas of Leiningen
HSH Princess Melita of Leiningen (b 1951), sister of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen
HSH Princess Stephanie of Leiningen (b 1958), sister of Prince Karl Emich of Leiningen
HSH Prince Boris of Leiningen (b 1960), first-cousin of Prince Andreas of Leiningen
HSH Prince Nicholas of Leiningen (b 1991), son of Prince Boris of Leiningen
HSH Prince Karl Heinrich of Leiningen (b 2001), son of Prince Boris of Leiningen
HSH Princess Juliana of Leiningen (b 2003), daughter of Prince Boris of Leiningen
HSH Prince Hermann Friedrich of Leiningen (b 1963), brother of Prince Boris of Leiningen
HSH Princess Tatiana of Leiningen (b 1989), daughter of Prince Hermann of Leiningen
HSH Princess Nadia of Leiningen (b 1991), daughter of Prince Hermann of Leiningen
HSH Princess Alexandra of Leiningen (b 1997), daughter of Prince Hermann of Leiningen
HSH Karl Friedrich, Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern (b 1952), first cousin of Prince Andreas of Leiningen
HSH Prince Alexander of Hohenzollern (b 1987), son of the Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern
HSH Princess Philippa of Hohenzollern (b 1988), daughter of the Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern
HSH Princess Flaminia of Hohenzollern (b 1992), daughter of the Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern
HSH Princess Antonia of Hohenzollern (b 1995), daughter of the Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern
HSH Prince Albrecht of Hohenzollern (b 1954), brother of the Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern
HSH Princess Josephine of Hohenzollern (b 2002), daughter of Prince Albrecht of Hohenzollern
HRH Princess Eugenia of Hohenzollern (b 2005), daughter of Prince Albrecht of Hohenzollern
HSH Prince Ferdinand of Hohenzollern (b 1960), brother of the Hereditary Prince of Hohenzollern
HSH Prince Aloys of Hohenzollern (b 1999), son of Prince Ferdinand of Hohenzollern
HSH Prince Fidelis of Hohenzollern (b 2001), son of Prince Ferdinand of Hohenzollern
HSH Princess Victoria of Hohenzollern (b 2004), daughter of Prince Ferdinand of Hohenzollern

Descendants of Grand Duchess Kira Kirilovna of Russia

HRH Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia (b 1939), son of Grand Duchess Kira Kirillovna of Russia
HRH Prince Michael of Prussia (b 1940), brother of Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia
HI&RH The Prince of Prussia (Georg Friedrich, b 1976), nephew of Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia
HRH Princess Cornelie-Cecile of Prussia (b 1978), sister of Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia
HRH Prince Christian-Sigismund of Prussia (b 1946), brother of Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia
HRH Prince Christian Ludwig of Prussia (b 1986), son of Prince Christian Sigismund of Prussia
HRH Princess Irina of Prussia (b 1988), daughter of Prince Christian Sigismund of Prussia
HRH Princess Marie Cécile of Prussia (b 1942), sister of Prince Friedrich Wilhelm of Prussia
HH Duke Paul Wladimir of Oldenburg (b 1969), son of Princess Marie Cécile of Prussia
HH Duke Kirill of Oldenburg (b 2002), son of Duke Paul Wladimir of Oldenburg
HH Duke Carlos of Oldenburg (b 2004), son of Duke Paul Wladimir of Oldenburg
HH Duke Paul of Oldenburg (b 2005), son of Duke Paul Wladimir of Oldenburg
HH Duchess Maria Assunta of Oldenburg (b 2007), daughter of Duke Paul Wladimir of Oldenburg
HH Duchess Rixa of Oldenburg (b 1970), daughter of Princess Marie Cécile of Prussia

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #519 on: March 08, 2010, 05:39:21 PM »
Descendants of Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna of Russia

Descendants of Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark

Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia (b. 1924), son of Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark
Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia (b. 1958), son of Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
Prince Michael of Yugoslavia (b 1958), son of Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
Prince Sergius of Yugoslavia (b 1963), son of Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
Prince Dushan of Yugoslavia (b 1977), son of Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
Princess Helene of Yugoslavia (b 1963), daughter of Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia (b 1936), daughter of Princess Olga of Greece and Denmark

Descendants of Princess Elizabeth of Greece and Denmark
Hans Veit, Count of Toerring-Jettenbach (*1935), m.1964 Princess Henriette of Hohenlohe-Bartenstein (*1938)
Countess Clarissa of Toerring-Jettenbach (*1965), m.1999 Prince Tassilo of Ratibor and Corvey (*1965)
.Princess Charlotte of Ratibor and Corvey (*2000)
Prince Gregor of Ratibor and Corvey (*2002)
Prince Vitus of Ratibor and Corvey (*2004)
Hereditary Count Ignatius of Toerring-Jettenbach (*1966), m.2004 Robinia Mentasti-Granelli (*1967)
Countess Floriana of Toerring-Jettenbach (*2005)
Countess Georgiana of Toerring-Jettenbach (*2006)
Countess Elisabeth of Toerring-Jettenbach (*2008)
Count Carl Theodor of Toerring-Jettenbach (*1969)
Countess Helene of Toerring-Jettenbach (*1937) m.1956 Archduke Ferdinand of Austria (1918-2004)
Archduchess Elisabeth of Austria (1957-1983), m.1982 James Litchfield (*1956)
Archduchess Sophie of Austria (*1959), m.1990 Mariano Hugo, Prince of Windisch-Graetz (*1955)
Prince Maximilian of Windisch-Graetz (*1990)
Prince Alexis of Windisch-Graetz (*1991)
Princess Larissa of Windisch-Graetz (*1996)
Archduke Maximilian of Austria (*1961), m.2005 Maya al-Askari (*1977)
Archduke Nicholas of Austria (*2005)

Descendants of Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark
HRH The Duke of Kent (Prince Edward; b 1935), son of Prince George, Duke of Kent
George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews (George Windsor, b 1962), son of the Duke of Kent
Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick (Edward Windsor, b 1988), son of George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews
Lady Marina-Charlotte Windsor (b 1992), daughter of George Windsor, Earl of St Andrews
Lady Amelia Windsor (b 1995), daughter of George Windsor, Earl of St. Andrews
Lord Nicholas Windsor (b 1970), son of the Duke of Kent
Albert Windsor (b 2007), son of Lord Nicholas Windsor
Leopold Windsor (b 2009), son of Lord Nicholas Windsor
Lady Helen Taylor (b 1964), daughter of the Duke of Kent
HRH Prince Michael of Kent (b 1942), brother of the Duke of Kent
Lord Frederick Windsor B (b 1979), son of Prince Michael of Kent
Lady Gabriella Windsor (b 1981), daughter of Prince Michael of Kent
HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy (b 1936), sister of the Duke of Kent


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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #520 on: March 08, 2010, 05:41:04 PM »
Descendants of Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna (none of her descendants are married equally under a very strict reading of the Fundamental laws however here they are.
Prince Andrew Andreievich Romanov
Prince Alexis Romanov
Prince Peter Romanov
Prince Andrew Romanov
Princess Natasha Kathleen Romanov
Princess Olga, Mrs Mathew
Princess Irene, Mrs Soulas
Penelope, Princess Galitzine
Prince Rostislav Romanov
Prince Nikita Romanov
Princess Stephena, Mrs Boggs
Prince Nicholas Christopher Romanov
Princess Karlyn Romanov
Princess Heather, Mrs Munao
Princess Marina Vasilievna, Mrs Beadleston

Descendants of Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna (not eligible)

Descendants of Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna (daughter of Grand Duke Paul - not eligible as not regarded as part of the Swedish Royal Family due her son's morganatic marriage)

Descendants of Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha.

Descendants of Marie of Edinburgh

King Michael of Roumania
HRH Princess Margarita of Romania (b 1949), daughter of King Michael of Romania
HRH Princess Elena of Romania (b 1950), daughter of King Michael of Romania
Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills (b 1985), son of Princess Elena of Romania
Karina de Roumanie Medforth-Mills (b 1989), daughter of Princess Elena of Romania
HRH Princess Irina of Romania (b 1953), daughter of King Michael of Romania
Michael de Roumanie Kreuger (b 1985), son of Princess Irina of Romania
HRH Princess Sofia of Romania (b 1957), daughter of King Michael of Romania
Princess Maria of Romania R (b 1964), daughter of King Michael of Romania
HRH The Crown Prince of Yugoslavia (b 1945), grandson of Princess Maria of Romania through her son King Peter II of Yugoslavia
HRH The Hereditary Prince of Yugoslavia R (b 1980), son of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Philip of Yugoslavia (b 1982), son of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia (b 1982), son of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Nikolas of Yugoslavia (b 1958), grandson of Princess Maria of Romania through her son Prince Tomislav of Yugoslavia
HRH Princess Maria of Yugoslavia (b 1993), daughter of Prince Nikolas of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince George of Yugoslavia (b 1984), brother of Prince Nikolas of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Michael of Yugoslavia (b 1985), brother of Prince Nikolas of Yugoslavia
HRH Princess Katarina of Yugoslavia (b 1959), sister of Prince Nikolas of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Karl Wladimir of Yugoslavia (b 1964), grandson of Princess Maria of Romania through her son Prince Andrej of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia (b 1965), brother of Prince Karl Wladimir of Yugoslavia
Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1957), grandson of Princess Ileana of Romania through her son Archduke Stefan of Austria
Count Stefan von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1990), son of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
Countess Saygan von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1987), daughter of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
Countess Maria Antonia von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1997), daughter of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
 Count Peter von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1959), brother of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
Count Anton von Habsburg-Lothringen R XP (b 1964), brother of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
Ileana Snyder (b 1958), sister of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
Constanza Bain R XP (b 1960), sister of Count Christopher von Habsburg-Lothringen
HI&RH Archduke Dominic of Austria (b 1937), son of Princess Ileana of Romania
Count Sandor von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1965), son of Archduke Dominic of Austria
Count Constantin von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 2000), son of Count Sandor von Habsburg-Lothringen
Count Gregor von Habsburg-Lothringen (b 1968), son of Archduke Dominic of Austria
Countess Alexandra of Baillou (b 1933), sister of Archduke Dominic of Austria
Baroness Maria Magdalena von Holzhausen (b 1939), sister of Archduke Dominic of Austria
Baron Johann von Holzhausen (b 1960), son of Baroness Maria Magdalena von Holzhausen
Baron Georg von Holzhausen (b 1962), son of Baroness Maria Magdalena von Holzhausen
Baron Alexander von Holzhausen (b 1994), son of Baron Georg von Holzhausen
Baron Tassilo von Holzhausen (b 1997), son of Baron Georg von Holzhausen
Baron Clemens von Holzhausen (b 2003), son of Baron Georg von Holzhausen

Descendants of Princess Victoria Melita of Edinburgh listed above

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #521 on: March 08, 2010, 05:41:58 PM »

Descendants of Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

HSH The Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (Philip, b 1970), grandson of Gottfried, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH The Hereditary Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (Max Leopold, b 2005), son of the Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH Prince Gustav of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b 2007), son of the Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH Princess Cecile of Hohenlohe-Langenburg, Countess Cyril de Commarque (b 1967), sister of the Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
Princess Xenia of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b 1972), sister of the Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH Prince Andreas of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b 1938), son of Gottfried, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH Princess Katharina of Waldeck and Pyrmont (b 1972), daughter of Prince Andreas of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH Princess Laetitia of Waldeck and Pyrmont (b 2003), daughter of Princess Katharina of Waldeck and Pyrmont
HSH Princess Alexia of Waldeck and Pyrmont (b 2006), daughter of Princess Katharina of Waldeck und Pyrmont
HSH Princess Tatiana-Louise of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b 1975), daughter of Prince Andreas of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HSH Prince Ludwig of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (b 1976), nephew of Prince Andreas of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
HH The Prince of Schleswig-Holstein (Christoph, b 1949), son of Peter, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH The Hereditary Prince of Schleswig-Holstein (Friedrich Ferdinand, b 1985), son of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH Prince Constantin of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1986), son of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH Prince Leopold of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1991), son of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH Princess Sophie of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1983), daughter of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH Prince Alexander of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1953), brother of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH Prince Julian of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1997), son of Prince Alexander of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
HH Princess Helena of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1995), daughter of Prince Alexander of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
Baroness Marita von Plotho (b 1948), sister of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg
Baron Christoph von Plotho (b 1976), son of Baroness Marita von Plotho
Baroness Irina von Plotho (b 1978), daughter of Baroness Marita von Plotho
HH Princess Ingeborg of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (b 1956), sister of the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg

Descendants of Princess Beatrice of Edinburgh

Don Alfonso d'Orléans y Ferrara Pignatelli, Duke of Galliera (b 1968), grandson of Don Alvaro d'Orléans, 4th Duke of Galliera
Don Alonso d'Orléans y Goeders (b 1994), son of the Duke of Galliera
Don Alvaro d'Orléans y Ferrara Pignatelli (b 1969), brother of the Duke of Galliera
Don Alvaro d'Orléans y Parodi Delfino (b 1947), uncle of the Duke of Galliera
Don Andrea d'Orléans (b 1976), son of Don Alvaro d'Orléans
Don Alois d'Orléans (b 1979), son of Don Alvaro d'Orléans
Doña Maria del Pilar d'Orléans (b 1975), daughter of Don Alvaro d'Orléans
Doña Gerarda d'Orléans y Parodi Delfino (b 1939), sister of Don Alvaro d'Orléans y Parodi Delfino
Doña Beatriz d'Orléans y Parodi Delfino (b 1943), sister of Don Alvaro d'Orléans y Parodi Delfino

Descendants of Grand Duchess Olga Constantinovna Queen of Greece
HRH The Crown Prince of Yugoslavia (b 1945), son of Alexandra of Greece Queen of Yugoslavia
HRH The Hereditary Prince of Yugoslavia (b 1980), son of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Philip of Yugoslavia (b 1982), son of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia (b 1982), son of Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia
HM King Constantine of Greece
HRH The Crown Prince of Greece (b 1967),
HRH Prince Constantine Alexios of Greece and Denmark (b 1998), son of Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece
HRH Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark (b 2000), son of Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece
HRH Prince Odysseas-Kimon of Greece and Denmark (b 2004), son of Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece
HRH Prince Aristide Stavros of Greece and Denmark (b 2008), son of Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece
HRH Princess Maria-Olympia of Greece and Denmark (b 1996), daughter of Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece
HRH Prince Nikolaos of Greece and Denmark (b 1969), son of King Constantine of Greece
HRH Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark (b 1986), son of King Constantine of Greece
Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark (b 1965), daughter of King Constantine of Greece
HRH Princess Theodora of Greece and Denmark (b 1983), daughter of King Constantine of Greece
HM Queen Sophia of Spain (b1938)
HRH The Prince of Asturias (Felipe, b 1968), son of the Queen of Spain
HRH Infanta Leonor of Spain (b 2005), daughter of the Prince of Asturias
HRH Infanta Sofia of Spain (b 2007), daughter of the Prince of Asturias
HRH The Duchess of Lugo (Elena, b 1963), daughter of the Queen of Spain
HE Don Felipe Juan Froilán de Marichalar y de Borbón (b 1998), son of Infanta Elena of Spain
HE Doña Victoria Federica de Marichalar y de Borbón (b 2000), daughter of Infanta Elena of Spain
HRH The Duchess of Palma de Mallorca (Cristina, b 1965), daughter of the Queen of Spain
HE Don Juan Valentín Urdangarín y de Borbón (b 1999), son of Infanta Cristina of Spain
HE Don Pablo Nicolás Urdangarín y de Borbón (b 2000), son of Infanta Cristina of Spain
HE Don Miguel Urdangarín y de Borbón (b 2002), son of Infanta Cristina of Spain
HE Doña Irene Urdangarín y de Borbón (b 2005), daughter of Infanta Cristina of Spain
HRH Princess Irene of Greece and Denmark (b 1942), sister of King Constantine of Greece


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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #522 on: March 08, 2010, 05:42:16 PM »
Descendants of Princess Helen of Greece Queen of Romania (listed above)

Descendants of Prince George of Greece
Princess Tatiana Radziwiłł (b. 28 August 1939)
Prince Carlo Alessandro, Duke of Castel Duino (b. 10 February 1952
Dimitri (b. 1977)
Maximilian (b. 1979)
Constanza (b. 1989)

Descendants of Prince Nicholas of Greece (listed above through his wife Grand Duchess Elena Vladimirovna)
Descendants of Prince Andrew of Greece
Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (b 1921)
HRH The Prince of Wales B (The Prince Charles; b 1948),
HRH Prince William of Wales B (b 1982), son of The Prince of Wales
HRH Prince Henry of Wales B (b 1984), son of The Prince of Wales
HRH The Duke of York B (The Prince Andrew; b 1960),
HRH Princess Beatrice of York (b 1988), daughter of The Duke of York
HRH Princess Eugenie of York (b 1990), daughter of The Duke of York
HRH The Earl of Wessex (The Prince Edward; b 1964),
James, Viscount Severn (b 2007), son of The Earl of Wessex
Lady Louise Windsor  (b 2003), daughter of The Earl of Wessex
HRH The Princess Royal (The Princess Anne; b 1950), 
Peter Phillips (b 1977), son of The Princess Royal
Zara Phillips (b 1981), daughter of The Princess Royal

Descendants of Princess Margarita of Greece and Denmark *(listed above through descent from Marie Alexandrovna Duchess of Saxe Coburg Gotha.

HRH Maximilian, Margrave of Baden (b 1933),
HRH Bernhard, Hereditary Prince of Baden (b 1970), son of the Margrave of Baden
HGDH Prince Leopold Bernhard of Baden (b 2002), son of the Hereditary Prince of Baden
HGDH Prince Friedrich of Baden (b 2004), son of the Hereditary Prince of Baden
HGDH Prince Karl-Wilhelm of Baden (b 2006), son of the Hereditary Prince of Baden
HGDH Prince Leopold Max of Baden (b 1971), son of the Margrave of Baden
HGDH Prince Michael of Baden (b 1976), son of the Margrave of Baden
Marie Louise Baker (b 1969), daughter of the Margrave of Baden
 HGDH Prince Ludwig of Baden (b 1937), brother of the Margrave of Baden
HGDH Prince Berthold of Baden (b 1976), son of Prince Ludwig of Baden
HGDH Princess Sophie of Baden (b 1975), sister of Prince Berthold of Baden
HGDH Princess Aglaë of Baden (b 1981), sister of Prince Berthold of Baden
HGDH Princess Margarita of Baden (b 1932), sister of the Margrave of Baden

Descendants of Princess Sophie of Greece (those descsendants who rank higher are not mentioned)
HH Prince Karl of Hesse (b 1937),
HH Prince Christoph of Hesse (b 1969), son of Prince Karl of Hesse
HH Irina, Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau (b 1971), daughter of Prince Karl of Hesse
Count Maxiumus of Schönburg-Glauchau (b 2003), son of Irina, Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau
Count Valentin of Schönburg-Glauchau (b 2005), son of Irina, Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau
Cuntess Maria-Laetitia of Schönburg-Glauchau (b 2001), daughter of Irina, Countess of Schönburg-Glauchau
HH Prince Rainer of Hesse (b 1939), brother of Prince Karl of Hesse
HH Princess Christina of Hesse (b 1933), sister of Prince Karl of Hesse
 HH Princess Dorothea of Windisch-Grätz (b 1934), sister of Prince Karl of Hesse
Marina Jakabffy (b 1960), daughter of Princess Dorothea of Windisch-Grätz
HH Princess Clarissa of Hesse (b 1944), sister of Princess Dorothea of Windisch-Grätz
HH Prince Georg Paul of Hanover (b 1949),
HRH Princess Vera, Mrs. Manuel Dmoch (b 1976), daughter of Prince Georg Paul of Hanover
HRH Princess Nora, Mrs. Christian Falk (b 1979), daughter of Prince Georg Paul of Hanover
HRH Princess Friederike, Mrs. Jerry Cyr (b 1954), sister of Prince Georg Paul of Hanover
HRH Princess Saskia, Mrs. Edward Hooper (b 1970),
 
Descendants of Princess Irene of Greece Duchess of Aosta

Prince Amedeo of Savoy, Duke of Aosta, (b1943)
Princess Bianca of Savoy (b 1966)
Prince Aimone Duke of Apulia (b.1967)
Prince Umberto of Savoy (b 2009)
Princess Mafalda of Savoy (b 1969)

Descendants of Princess Alexandra of Greece (listed above not eligible)

Descendants of Princess Marie of Greece (not eligible)

After that your left with the desendants in order of the following:
Descendants of Grand Duchess Vera Constantinovna
Descendants of Princess Marina Petrovna (not eligible)
Descendans of Princess Nadejda Petrovna (not eligible)
Descendants of Princess Irina Alexandrovna (not eligible)
Descendants of Grand Duchess Anastasia Mikhailovna
Descendants of Garand Duchess Marie Nikolaevna Duchess of Leuchtenburg
Descendants of Grand Duchess Catherine Mikhailovna of Russia
Descendants of Grand Duchess Elena Pavlovna of Russia
Descendants of Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna of Russia
Descendants of Grand Duchess Catherine Pavlovna of Russia
Descendants of Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna of Russia




Offline Margot

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #523 on: March 08, 2010, 05:44:28 PM »
I should re-write the following after re-reading your original introduction...sorry ignore the following! It is irrelevant! Previously we were discussing the rightful heir who fulfilled the criteria of Pauline and Family rules hence the exclusion of MV! I see you have realigned the goal posts so to speak! I do beg your pardon!

But Marina's children contracted what would have certainly constituted unequal marriages and Elizabeth's marriage would surely have been deemed as unequal under Pauline and Family rules?

Only the Yugoslavs would qualify wouldn't they? Barring the children of Princess Elizabeth though she herself would qualify!

OMG you added more before I realized! If we are going to forget the aspect of equal marriages than I see your point! But if we are seeking heirs who have the credentials passe as per the Pauline rules etc then surely only the Greeks absolutely fit the criteria on pedigree and religious grounds! The Yugoslavs likewise! The rest are all out of unequal marriages so to speak excepting the Margerethe II of Denmark and her sisters and the three Kent siblings as far as I can tell and Duchess Rixa of Oldenburg!
« Last Edit: March 08, 2010, 05:53:50 PM by Margot »

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Re: Who is the rightful heir?
« Reply #524 on: March 09, 2010, 04:59:28 AM »
I'm confused Margot, what are you talking about? I think the debate over who is the rightful heir has largely finished, the general consensus in of Russia aswell as other European monarchists/chivalry organisations seems to be that Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and her son's claims are valid - making them the only dynasts. There are plenty of high quality arguements that support this - from GD Maria's lawyer(lawyers?) aswell as scholars in general. Even the new (albeit not as authoritative as old) Almanach de Gotha lists her as heir. Most arguements to the contraty seem to rely on emotion (dislike of GD Maria) or misinterpretation of the Pauline Laws.

http://www.almanachdegotha.org/id112.html