notice...that's why this is so aptly called :
A Discussion Thread 
if you will note, there seem to be more than one point being addressed by posters here, and no matter how much one might like to take control of ny of the given points that emerge here,
ALL posters are allowed to have their own opinions, period.
people will hold on to the beliefs they wish, and as they have. Annie, or nobody else will change their minds.
But in the case of Bear, she already has very well stated in black and white, what she believes and what she does not believe, so lay off of Bear.
We are delighted Annie, that you have your personal beliefs, and that is fine, but please refrain from continually stirring the pot, and making others feel less than because they don't fall into your line of thinking, or what you think the world at large thinks, or must think.
Logic may play an important part in determining many issues, but what one may think is 100% the case, may not always be so.
Phil has aptly offered evidence of that earlier in his posting here, and I'm sure nobody had seen or offered those points before. So it is good that we have these threads
so everyone can feel free, speak, write without fear, or without being harassed endlessely.
This AP Forum speaks very well for a free and democratic open interchange, and I for one am very supportive and happy that it continues to be so.

I believe if it were contrary, you Annie, or i or over 4,000 people globally would be unable to come each day to read, review, ponder, gain educative understandings of issues past, present, future.
So yes, Annie, we hear what you share after every one of a posting of which you are not happy with their viewpoints. By the same token, EVERYONE has the same rights to respond freely, their opinions, period. If you note as well, most posters are free to agree to disagree, and or ignore, but don't harass over and over another poster. It just is not good manners to do so.

Thanks for your time ! ....and Lexi4, the moon is round, but definately not made of cheese, lol
Tatiana+